Interstellar Travel

Four years at the speed of light? When does your body arrive?

and your coming to an art forum to get a better method for reaching light speed? ok, i suppose we could create art based on that.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

I would like to meet Londo Mallari. ;-)

londo is fun, and he's probably still in charge too. i wonder if i wonder if they kept the head on a pike after all these years...


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

I love sci fi!

Are you a member of the planetary society?

My contribution to the subject of interstellar travel on a very abstract level.

The movie "Interstellar" is definitely my favorite in the "space" genre.



Bill Tomsa

https://bill-tomsa.pixels.com

No, this is not an image thread.

Let's try this again

I'm convinced that the speed of light is NOT the ultimate speed.

And

We, as we currently are, will not do the travelling, our DNA as 1's & 0's will.

I think our Star Trek fantasies are going to take a while to realize, until we discover some completely different paradigm for how to go places really fast. Of course, not being able to do that might be all that keeps us here. Considering that technology beyond from bashing stones into buildings is only a few centuries old and how some other civilization, in all probability, might have a 100,000,000 year head start on us, my guess is that they might see us, decide that this is really would be a nice planet if not for all these ugly, stupid, two legged creatures that have infested everything. I'm thinking that they'd get right to work clearing us out. We're better off being remote. I don't think it would end as well as War of the Worlds or Independence Day.

Doug,

RE: "We're better off being remote."

We are not remote....THEY are here.

We,as yet, with our presently inadequate 5 senses, just can't comprehend them

No....Im thinking full out occupation, huge vessel becomes sub-luminal around Jupiter, moves toward Earth and then starts the job. It would be a lot like what we do when we get the garden ready for spring and they wouldn't announce themselves any more than I give a 2-day warning to the dandelions. Our nuclear weapons are like spears islanders threw at WW II battleships. There's no need for subversion or spying or infiltration or covert activities because they don't have any interest in what we consider intelligence, any more than I care about how smart a honeysuckle vine is. They have 1 lunar orbit to get this planet ready for advanced life but prefer to have the job done by the end of the week and I don't think they'd be like Klaatu in the Day the Earth Stood Still.

Are you planning a trip? Rather than interstellar travel, I would really be interested in time travel with the plan of visiting the past or future on Earth.

Roger gets it.
Far more fascinating than little green men...

Interstellar's a great show, Bill!

Whatever interstellar travel turns out to be I'm convinced that, like all other journeys and the vehicles that enabled mankind to take them, it will be step by step over a very long period of time. Let's face it, the Wright brothers didn't start off by inventing the 747.

Of course if there are intelligent beings out there who are 100,000,000 years ahead of us maybe they will share some of their advanced technologies with us. That would give us a quantum leap in this endeavor.

For me, who remembers the first conversations about Sputnik, I can only hope I live long enough to see the first humans on Mars and maybe beyond.

Bill Tomsa

Orson Scott Card has a few words written on the matter.......space-time-matter that is!

Bill,

RE...."live long enough to see the first humans on Mars"

After we landed on the moon, I fully expected that we would have gone full blast, to get a man on Mars by the turn of the century.

BUT NO!!...We settled on dealing with a tin can (space station) a couple hundred miles up...And that ludicrous and eventually dangerous contraption, an airplane stuck to tubes (the shuttle).

I guess we need an enemy to act,,,Actual or perceived

Roger, I think a lot of the hesitation has to do with what we found on the moon.
There's not much out there, except what we can bring with us...

I don't quite get the idea of extra planet living. By which I refer to extra as, you know, "I have an extra, do you want to use it?"

It is impractical. Especially since we don't need it anytime soon.

Why not?

1. The reason to move is if the host becomes too crowded. This planet is no where near filled. Population is about to plateau (where "about" is in Human scale, not geologic. By the end of this century, meaning children born today are likely to be alive when we reach it.)

1a The primary determinant of overpopulation is nutrition. If we have the food to feed people, everybody is good. The problem with feeding people is that is forces people into tighter living spaces to create the room for agriculture. But this is the end times for that paradigm. Between veggie meat and lab grown hamburgers, we are on the cusp of not needing cows anymore. Cows take up a huge amount of space. Food grown for cows takes up a huge amount of space. Stop eating cows (because there are other methods for creating "beef" and or pigs, chickens, turkeys, what have you.) and all that space is available for either growing other food stuffs or building towns instead of cities. The population can spread out. There is plenty of room (around 40 acres per person in the USA) for everyone.

2. Space living.
2a Why go someplace impossible? Why not go someplace relatively nearby? Why are they interested in Mars? To live? I don't think so. Mars is just a jumping off spot for Asteroid mining. Fly a factory to the Asteroid belt and grab one. Then fly it back to Earth's orbital path. On the way the factory uses the raw metals etc of the asteroid to create a biosphere that is placed in the same orbit as the Earth but along side of it. Create an "Earthteroid belt" around the Sun with the same temperate zones as we have here on Earth. The same water and atmosphere inside the metal ball. It's just a matter of engineering. We can do it with 3D printers. It's almost anticlimactic versus the Jules Vernian notions.

Going to another planet is just an early SF paradigm. It makes no real sense.

PLAU
UPD

Roger - "After we landed on the moon, I fully expected that we would have gone full blast, to get a man on Mars by the turn of the century."

You and me both brother! Very disappointing. While watching the first moon landing and footsteps on the moon with my future wife in '69, I still remember the excitement of imagining what lay ahead in space travel.

Joe - "Roger, I think a lot of the hesitation has to do with what we found on the moon."

That may have been true in the 70s but since then we now have additional motivation to return to the moon based upon the water (ice in the craters) and Helium 3. See below.

"Unlike Earth, which is protected by its magnetic field, the Moon has been bombarded with large quantities of Helium-3 by the solar wind. It is thought that this isotope could provide safer nuclear energy in a fusion reactor, since it is not radioactive and would not produce dangerous waste products."

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS740US740&ei=tePvXeqAG7u_0PEPke-jiAE&q=He+3+on+the+moon

Bill Tomsa

Helium 3 had crossed my mind after I posted, Bill.
But I do think that falls more in line with Uther's observations.

The void is what we make of it.
To infinity, and beyond!

Uther.

RE:...."The reason to move is..."

As humans, if we don't move, we die or turn into cows.


Bill.

Re:..."watching the first moon landing"

I was in Bulgaria (that's another story) at that time, prepared to watch the landing and was told by the government that the capsule landed in a crater and there was no reception anywhere in the world...Bulgarian friends, we (me and my wife at the time) made there, told us tearfully that they're lying to us again

No matter where you go, There you are.

Let's say that the Earth can hold 11 billion people (it can hold more if the ag thing pans out) but that is about where the population currently tops out.

The orbit of Earth is 940 Million KM. The Earth is 13 thousand KM (ish) in diameter. Let's say that each earthoid sphere can hold 5 billion humans (it should be more given the fact that the need for shelter is reduced and the center of the sphere can hold all of the biomechanicals, etc etc not to mention the lack of wasted space for water. On Earth, Water only accounts for .02% of the total mass. If it were inside the planet it would be a glob of less than 1,000 KM in diameter.). Let's say that there needs to be just under 1Million KM between spheres (2.5 times the distance to the moon. such that there can be 1,000 spheres all chugging around the sun in Heliosynchronous orbits. Each with 5 billion people.

1,000 billions is 1trillion. 5 trillion humans on this one plane. There is no pressing need to invent hyper light speed anything to be in other solar systems.

Just sayin'

With our minds we can travel anywhere right now.

Klaatu barada nikto

I have flown inter galactic. I have been the first human eyes to see undiscovered stars and planets (and my name is on them as first discoverer)

There is a "game". I use game advisedly - the simulation engines it uses are built on the very latest up to the minute information the astronomers of the world have, and it has more than once been found to have predicted discoveries - when the programmers have gone to update it with new discoveries of stars and/or planets they have found they are already there. Among other things it includes photography - so if you fly off "into the black" (the simulation is our galaxy and you are talking decades for every star to be visited even projecting current engagement) and discover a new star or planet then you can photograph your discovery - or just go and take a photo of some of the well known but amazing sites of particular star types.

Maybe man will not physically leave this planet to live in my lifetime - but I have got as close as I can to experience it.

You might as well shoot for the Andromeda Galaxy. It's about as likely as any other astronomical body On the other hand, I seem to recollect that even the USS Enterprise crew was leery about leaving our little galaxy, even with "Warp Drive". I seem to recall that when Warp Drive kicked in, it sounded like amping up a conventional electric motor. That seemed more convincing than hearing the horses gallop faster or Spock putting on more sails.

Yuri - "Very few people know that a necessity to move out of Earth could arise at any moment."

Yeah, but, even if we could pack up our cars and drive to Mars, even on a good day, it's colder there than any time in the past billion years on earth. If it does become necessary to move out of Earth any moment, I think that would only be into the realm of memories, and that some survivors would tell of a time when there were billions of people in the world rather than a few million hugging the equator. We've gotten a few scares like the Little Ice Age, but when the real one comes, it won't be good.

It would be far, far easier to use the same technology that would be needed to colonize Mars to build habitats here on Earth in the event of catastrophic warming or cooling.

Yes, but good planning always require to have Plan B.

Just a little humor for those earthlings old enough to remember Emily Litella from Saturday Night Live....

"What's all this I hear about about leaving and moving in with Inga Stella? You know we never got along as kids and she was sooooo much smarter.......What? What? Oh, Interstellar? Well that's different..... Never mind."

Bill Tomsa

Discussion dialogue, excerpts personal interpretation of NSE (near death encounter) copyright by Michael Hoard

Doug and discussion contributors I enjoyed everyone's input, and from a NDE (near death encounter) and including as an example and personal perspective as interstellar travel. Within our present day or future lifetimes we will not experience a human made spaceship, capsule for interstellar travel from point a to point b as in sci-fi or in scientific explanations. Within the vastness of space the human body can not exist, nor can the human body or matter be moved from one location as in a time machine yet only in thought process it can. With the discovery of black holes there are more than one and many more to be discovered. These black holes did not just manifest for us to view them they already existed, they are part of various scientific theory's and those explanations of the big bang theory. Within the vacuum of space itself can not support human life, space lacks oxygen, black holes when first discovered remain today as baffling as the day first discovered by the Hubble telescope. (Dimensions of Space)

Doug it is not what movie maker might understand or the ingenious mind who may have written a Sci fi novel then turned into a movie but the select individuals who experience a Near Death Experience, similar experience yet each different, the lay or scientific minds can not discredit our explanation. Everyone remembers Space Odessy 2001 ahead of all others, that movie was epic, that was certainly the movie which was mind provoking for young and old released in 1968. Sci-if fiction then but no so fiction today 2020. Everyone must keep an open mind of then and now in retrospect including in the near future events to occur.

Greetings Ter, a topic which I personally relate to. Great responses from everyone, in reality we are physically traveling through space presently, interstellar travel will never be by a portal or physical capsule. In our dreams we travel, some fly, some frightful some pleasant journey's. While on the set with Mathew McConaughey in the production of the Free State of Jones I spoke with Mathew and mentioned I had seen his movie production Innerstellar, he voiced very loud 4 times, you seen my movie 4 times, I replied, it was not planned but seen the movie with 4 different groups of friends. A certain scene from that movie is another real life explanation the similarity of my own real life experience NDE (Near Death Experience) exception in the movie no one could hear the chapter from within the frequency or vacuum but in a real life Near Death Experience there is a frequency awards of sight and sound, visual and audible. The term "frequency" my explanation of a NDE (near death experience)

The movie moved my inner core certain scenes as he traveled through the worm hole, black hole, within space, I personally relate to time travel to not a physical machine but the inner brain activity, frequency here are excepts from my novel, In The Hand of The Beholder. (Excerpts from In The Hands Of The Beholder A Real Life Experience Testament Of My Near Death Encounter (NDE) And Out of Body (OBE) As A Toddler The year 1952

(A future book release, all rights reserved) title, book cover design, excerpts by Michael Hoard

A Book of Inspiration, comfort, understanding, memoirs throughout six decades fulfilling my destiny connecting dots to the circle of life in this great cosmos we call the universe. This Second, Minute, Hour, Week, Month, Year, Decade, My Life In Two Half Century's And A New Millennium And Until My Demise Once Again Beyond My Physical Body.

(excerpt from "In The Hands Of The Beholder". I speak of dots, no reference to dot net, or dot com but the evidence of my scar I call my dot. The near death experience I call a "frequency beyond reality and the return to the physical body". It is the exact micro moment, instance, which is the reality of the occurrence and the remembrance of a euphoric dimension you exist within the frequency.. (The Resurrection)

(Excerpts)

Creation is the frequency which we evolve, live and die. In some instances both creation, life and death occurs in the beginning. Unfortunate sooner than expected and others live within time allotted a lifetime. To make it easier or more understanding do not question why an infliction or death occurs but understand and keep the memory of the life alive, accept and embrace both life and death they are relative. (Its all OK) instinctively at one point we do prepare and accept in our own individual way. We all experience the duration of trauma, pain, inflictions, burdens, grief, fears and sorrow of death, yet time allows us to find solace. We let go of what needs to be gone and move along for some in an instance others a lifetime. Accept and embrace both it is what it is and that is the cycle and frequency of life itself. (Time Lapse)

I was in the process of near death as a young toddler and my tiny hand, my palm was nearly severed off it was just dangling, viewing the events through my eyes and from above observing out of my physical body. I could not speak to my mother my brain was undeveloped nor did I remember crying or feel pain., I was just a toddler I never asked my parents as I grew older, why my hand have a large bubble I already new of the encounter. All throughout my toddler life, adolescence and adult life, I always had a reoccurring dream. The dreams of that day throughout the years ceased now my inner voice and thoughts my life time of writing my own experience. In the earlier years maturing, the dream was always in exact sequence of events of that day without deviations of my near death experience I had as a toddler, I identified during adolescence. (Confirmation)

My mother found me at the bottom of the stairs to the side entrance to the house. I managed to wobble out the back door and down the stairs and found myself alone in the back yard. It was a bright sunny day, the wind rustling in the leaves and I kept turning around as if something was chasing me and pulling me upwards then I was no longer with my body, I was viewing everything but from above within the frequency, a dimension. I saw myself wobble to the side of the yard find the side stairs and started to proceed to the top. At the moment I saw myself tumble and fall and crash into the glass milk bottles which were at the bottom of the landing. At that very moment I witnessed myself lying in my pool of blood gushing from my severed hand, my diaper and body covered in blood. (In Plain Sight)

Lying at the bottom of the landing I could hear my mother calling out to me from within the house and saw the expression on her face as she opened the side door and saw me lying at the bottom of the landing, She was screaming and nearly lost her balance in panic running down the steps and swopped me up. I watched as she took me into her arms, how bravely she took my tangling palm and pressed it back to my hand. She then ran back up the stairs and into the house into as she placed me in the kitchen sink praying out loud. She then washed all the blood from my body and wrapped a kitchen towel applying pressure. We had no family car, she dashed out the house screaming for help and managed to get to the neighbors house across the street who was a doctor. (The Physician)

The neighbor doctor temporary sewed my palm back to my hand with a sewing needle and thread, until I was rushed to the hospital. A temporary mend to stop the blood flow. The near death encounter and assistance from my mother and neighbor I was chosen to continue to live in this magnificent world and cosmos by means of manual assistance. Both the neighbor and my mother got into his car, my mother rode in the back seat and I was on her lap. Upon riding in the back seat looking up at my mother my life was earth bound once again. The perspective of viewing the events had changed, I had returned to my body the living. While looking up to my mother from her lap her tears dropped upon my face. (I am Alive)

An out of body encounter has no age preference, some fortunate to return to share or spend their entire life understanding and connect the dots and events such as myself, the manual assistance which is also given in a hospital when someone is pronounced dead flat line, no brain activity and the fortunate return to the living they are witness to their deaths return and speak of it as well. (Listen). I never had a need to pick up books about near death experiences yet saw an occasional interviews from time to time of others experience. (I Understood)

Over the years I did have a re-occurring dream of my out of body experience at a younger age. . It did help to further understand was it fate or was there a divine intervention. In retrospect over the years identified the event as a divine experience yet I did not witness a white light or journey thru a tunnel nor did I speak to God or God himself speak to me. I would not have known who God was my brain was only a toddler's brain. Dreams are the manifestations of our subconscious thoughts or events which manifest dreams in the first place. (The Dream)

Existence in this great cosmos has always intrigued myself, mankind and the scientific community. No one should disclaim an out of body experience they are real events which I experienced and the many select from around the world who return from the frequency. Scientific research continues to define the occurrence. Each and everyone's experience is different but share the similarity yet upon return to the living world and speak of the memory in detail, their experiences. Many have just the memory of the experience, is that alone prof? I have not only the memory but physical reminder my dot, such as others who have a physical scar evidence their memory of the event proof, confirmation the event occurred. (The Scar)

Many perhaps not everyone may have at one point ask the question of all questions? Why? Why are we here? What exactly is the purpose? Does everyone ask or think this at one point or another throughout their lives? I was baptized Catholic and remember my confirmation as if it occurred just today. Surely you have come to your own conclusion, understanding, beliefs, or was it the definitive suggestive explanation and confirmation by others? (Listen.)

I am a living testament along with my physical scar, imagine my dot on a toddlers hand, it was my entire palm severed away, dangling, it had always been a physical reminder of my very own Near Death Encounter with lifelong meaning and purpose and continued documentation.. "man has always been living testaments of one another the past, present and future, the human species constantly evolving " (Existence)

"Everything known and unknown from the theological along with scientific explanations, physicist, what is certain we are insteller celestial travelers within the vacuum of infinitive space."

Just as the history of earth been impacted by asteroids, the aftermath of devastating craters here on earth and recent events of near misses, NASA and world scientist are in early planning for "The Swarm" according to NASA initial projections a direct impact now changed to just skimming the earth. As the time nears official announcements if a direct hit with earth will only create mass chaos globally no one in the direct path would be able to evacuate but global scientist are considering nudging the asteroid from its orbit. Scientist did in fact land a rover on a moving asteroid, and everyone does remember the Sci fi movie The Day After Tomorrow, fiction then but possible future reality. Of all movies produced Sci-fi past in retrospect of the future the world we live today and all the innovative technology, equipment and rapid development many beneficial and those not so beneficial created or relating to theory of many past and present global geniuses or in fact other celestial influences?

Original Cover Photograph, excerpts, copyright by Michael Hoard (Personal events of my NSE Near Death Experience and OBE Out of Body Experience to be contributed for National and International Scientific Studies)

The entire blog along with photo titled "In The Hands Of The Beholder" is rights and copyright protected. No use allowed under copyright laws.

Michael,

Did I understood correctly that you are writing a book about that and it will be published someday?

@David Manlove, before or after Londo received his Keeper?

@Yuri, it is an ongoing project just as many of my personal life projects, they are continuous works and some I move them to the back burner as they say and that is OK. A (NDE) Near Death Experience or OBE Out of Body Experience are not sci fi, it is a phenomenon, researchers, doctors compare statistical results or findings. Many individuals step forward and write of their own experiences and some do not, many have no fact traveled as a guest speaker on NDE and OBE the skeptics and the believers. As mentioned I have never sat down to read any book on the topic but I had over the years seen an interview or two and immediately new what they were speaking of identify with their explanation what they experienced.

Over the years my experience it has remained with me and I continue to add information facts or connections pertaining to my NDE I will release my own data or my personal collective thoughts not the scientist or researcher. I do have plans to consult with three researchers one in German, the UK and an American researcher. The researchers interview, conduct studies and release their findings from what article or two I may have read. My personal interpretive understanding will one day be final, many years ago I could have done a partial but I had no plans to write to be continued or a sequel. . No one knows when we will cease, but I have always informed my personal friends over the years and mentioned here in the discussion forum, in the event of my demise, I will return to my "frequency" a second time.

RE:....NDE/ OBE

Regaining consciousnesses after a delicate 11 1/2 hour surgical operation, my experience at that moment confirmed my previous decision in regards to the handling of my physical body after my last breath.

For my life passed by at tremendous speed.

I'm convinced that the essence of me was being rebooted into my brain.


That is why having my flesh and bones donated to medical science,when I no longer have use for them, is the right choice

To me, it's a win win proposition....

Who knows maybe that particular bit of information uncovered from my cadaver, is the answer everyone is looking for?....and:

No one, I know, will have the responsibility/ aggravation/ cost of dealing with the corpse.


As far as that rebooted (1's and 0's ?) information , I believe will still remain, somewhere out there in the ether

Hello Roger, I follow exactly what you speak of pertaining to the brain one of the most intricate of all organs. You have mentioned the word reboot and the research data compiled by scientist globally I did happen to see the wording reboot, some relate the experience of NDE or OBE as to the brain function . I do know over the years I did see or found some sort of research doctors did in a operating room, it may have been on TV, I do not recall...

They placed a note atop one of the cabinets in the operating room, it read something like if you are reading this you have left your physical body. The individuals who in fact read the note left atop the cabinet did in fact when coming out sedation informed the doctors I read the note atop the cabinet, unless the patients who do in fact leave their physical body would know the note was there in the first place only the surgeon's in the operating room had knowledge.....

My brain tumor discovered years back the doctors said leave it alone, it had calcified, that particular tumor inoperable . They have no data if the tumor had always been present, or developed without question the impact to my head may have jilted the tumor causing me for two months to walk like someone with a handicap. I also made the connection of my fall down the stairs when I was a toddler and when I would dive underwater, the pressure of impact caused me to have a temporary seizure and stopped swimming though have dived after 1976 and had no memorable seizures as experienced in 1976, the tumor is found in pre adolescence individuals survival rate varies.

I do contemplate over the years the very thought of cloning and stem cell research many agree and many disagree with science becoming Dr. Frankenstein, has someone in fact created a human clone. If it helps with prolonging life or assist with space travel thank you for the medical researches and those advancements, so many research advancements for cancer, diseases, medical technology survival rates have increased over the years.

It sure was great news when announced and your recovery from brain surgery......

So...is the idea of interstellar travel abandoned due technical reasons?...or what?

It is kind of boring....LOL

Dave

Whew! Just got back from a long week on Kepler-442b.

Looks like nothing much has changed here on FAA. Still just talking about interstellar travel?

You mean nobody else has the secret about how to do it?

Well then let me tell you.

The secret is

So...is the idea of interstellar travel abandoned due technical reasons?...or what? -

It isn't exactly abandoned, because, aside from fiction writers, it never started. Somebody is going to have to do an awful lot of theorizing, discovery and invention before it's anything but fiction. So far nobody's done anything other than toss out some made-up names from fiction, like warp drive or transporter beams or whatever. I'm still waiting, but it's been a long wait and I'm still here in Baltimore, not in the Andromeda Galaxy.

Greetings, Doug, smiling, there will never be a machine or capsule to get you from point A to B, but in the meantime enjoy the time, the here and now on earth. In the meantime continue where ever it is you travel in your dreams. Do you go anyplace in particular? Have you ever had the sensation of flying in your dreams? What do you think after passenger drones not so far away, NASA already reserving airspace for personal done travel of the future. Also, upcoming near future, men and women on Mars!!!

Michael, when you talk about the "sensation of flying in your dreams" do you mean flying in an aircraft or flying unassisted by mechanical means?

I have a car in one of my dreams almost every night. I wonder what that means.

Bill Tomsa

https://bill-tomsa.pixels.com

Hello Bill, oh the unassisted, sometimes it wears me out, but I know exactly were to go and return. I was told by a doctor friend, and he mentioned those are the best type of dreams, noting to fear about them. I wonder if it may be something diet related, every nigh, I sure you do not need fuel for the car but how exciting it that. Any chance you can swing by down to New Orleans!!! With all the genius and scientific minds they continue to compare scientific formulas how to make it a reality physically interstellar travel.

As mentioned above we are hurling and traveling through space at this very moment within our milky way. Scientist have the means to induce artificial sleep, for individuals who recover from traumatic accidents, induced comatose state. Even if something like that done for long distance space travel, the spaceship would have to be fully artifical intelligent like A Space Odyssey 2001, HAL but this is real life and we have Cirus...

You're right MIchael. Never can I recall in my dreams of having to stop to refuel the car. LOL

As for interstellar travel, I still wonder if we might not receive a "gift" from a higher intelligence that will enable I.T. sooner rather than 1,000 years from now.

BIll Tomsa

https://bill-tomsa.pixels.com

The doctor friend I mentioned he did tell me if you are cable to fly in your dreams its a good thing according to the many researches conducted over the years. You make a interesting point. From my inner thoughts, I have wondered as you say a higher intelligence, it is so that cave men drawings discovered directed some type of flying craft. Also in Egyptian art, makes individual wonder? Were they real craft or were the images imagination, I lean towards they may well have been real, they drew the heavens, charted the stars and just as so many unexplained objects there is a real association.

If I had the answer to that I would not be typing it here in the discussion but conducting public forums on the topic. Since at adolescent age, I always looked up to the sky, amazed and always wondered about it all, not I do not understand nor do the brilliant genius minds exactly do not fully understand an ongoing awareness is an addition to knowledge of the past. In my personal writings over the years I have my personal explanation, just as any group of individuals sit around a table discussion format and share comparative experiences and notes. My personal interpretation as entergy, matter and frequency.

It might not be in our life time but Magnetic fields and Solar winds may hold the key to interstellar travel. The future of travel could be magnetic and we already use winds, Gulf Stream, to travel quickly, the same could should be possible in outer space. The biggest problem is setting an unknown destination, on earth we don’t really go far without the knowledge of where we’re going.

As far as dreams go, they really are simply trying to make sense of what your eyes and ears take in, some of us those do have the ability to analyse and draw a picture of possible meaning to those dreams.

https://www.apexmagnets.com/news-how-tos/the-magnetic-fields-of-our-solar-system/

My take on the Stealth Bomber but designed for interstellar travel.

Reading some of the recent threads I'm beginning to think some alien race has discovered interstellar travel.

Micheal - I'm good with terrestrial destinations, but I'm not expecting to vacation on one of the planets around Sirius any time soon. I tried to calculate the distance in miles since light-years don't show on my car's odometer, but my calculator caught fire.

Oh Doug, that was not suppose to occur at all

Smiling at Edward's response....

Michael,

RE: (8 hrs ago)...."The doctor friend I mentioned he did tell me if you are capable to fly in your dreams its a good thing"

I remember clearly a dream I had when I was about 8 years old.

My pal Jackie Demchak told me that I could fly, all I had to do is spread my arms and flap and I'll fly

I flapped and flapped and flapped until finally I rose about 4 inches off the ground.....Continued flapping for a minute or so.....Exhausted stopped flapping came down the 4 inches..Back to where I started...." That's it??" I sarcastically remarked...." You flew, didn't you", was Jackie's response.

The next morning, I confronted Jackie about the night's ordeal....Never did I see a stranger look on his face.

We somehow moved from interstellar travel to "Life after death" topic.

I have a personal confirmation that some life after death exists ... but it is pretty short. And I have a confirmation from plants, not people.
My story is pretty long. I never told about that my experience here, on FAA.

NOTE: This is not a fiction or fantasy. This is a fact.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
My most exciting photo images were made in 1969. No photo camera was used. Here comes the story ...


Semyon Kirlian in USSR discovered that if an object on a photographic plate is connected to a high-voltage source, an image is produced on the photographic plate. That discovery happened in 1939. That kind of photography was later named as a Kirlian photography. However for a long time it was not known by a broad public. Only in 70s years of 20th century a first international conferences on Kirlian photography started to appear.

In 1969 our team of three friends - engineers (including me) at a Research Institute in a small town not far from Saint-Peterburg in Russia have built a high voltage equipment. That equipment was able to provide a short electrical impulse with an initial voltage level up to 35 000 volts. Our equipment was very powerful and dangerous and, definitely, not for a home use. A size of our equipment was bigger than a small car. It was used in some scientific experiments.

In a fall of 1969 we were hit by an article about Kirlian photography in popular magazine "Technika molodezi". The most interesting aspect of this article was a statement that with Kirlian photography it is possible to see (on a Kirlian photo) an image of non-existent (cut-off) part of a live leaf.

We immediately were intrigued ... But we did not had an equipment described in the article and used to make Kirlian photos. Of course that did not stopped us. We decided to modify a Kirlian technique by using our own high voltage equipment.

Here is what we did ... It was late September and it was snow everywhere. Still we were lucky to find out several last leaves on some oak tree nearby. We took a leaf from the tree and put it onto a sheet of photo printing paper. That was done in a dark room. Than we put that sandwich of printing paper and a leaf into black paper envelope and sealed it. That envelope was posted on a table in our high voltage equipment and high voltage impulse was applied to it. After that we took a leaf off and processed that sheet of printing paper in a dark room using standard photo film processing technique.

Than we cut off some part of the leaf (about one sixth part) and repeated the mentioned procedure with that leaf several times during 6 hours after a part of the leaf was cut off. Every time we did use a new sheet of printing paper and a new black paper envelope.

We were amazed with results. I had one such Kirlian photo with partly cut leaf at my home. Unfortunately it was lost somewhere in 1997 while I was preparing for immigration to US. Therefore to show you an output of our Kirlian photography experiments I have to use a combination of some Kirlian leaf image done by other person and my pencil drawings.

Below is a typical Kirlian image of some live leaf. Such images are done immediately or very soon after a leaf is taken from a tree. This leaf image was done by Thomas Wedekind (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kirlianfotografie_Blatt9.jpg), and is used here under Creative Commons.

If we will take Kirlian photos of a same leaf over and over again - than, during a transformation from a live leaf to a dead leaf, such image will become less and less bright.

What should we expect to see if we will cut off some part of a leaf? A common sense answer is that we should not see anything in a place where there is non-existent-anymore cut off part of the leaf.

Here is my drawings (A and B) of an oak leaf. Drawing A shows a Kirlian image of a live oak leaf. Drawing B shows an expected (by common sense) a Kirlian image of a live oak leaf where a top part of the leaf was cut off.



Instead our team of three curious guys saw something like what you could see on my next slide ...



We still saw a cut off part of the live leaf. The cut off part had much less brightness and much less details compare to live part of the leaf but it was there. Both live part and non-existent (cut off) parts of the leaf were there till that leaf died - in our case it happen in about 3 hours time frame since we took that leaf from the tree.

Let me emphasis what you see here. That is literally "Life after death" experience captured on a photo paper! In a sense it is even more than that! After we cut off the top part of that oak leaf - we did not waited until it died. Instead we throw away a cut off part of the leaf. That means that in a space where a cut off part of the leaf was before the cut - in that space there is nothing anymore, neither live part of the leaf, neither dead part of the leaf ... But for a while after the cut a leaf is somehow still a whole one. Of course in a space where cut off part was before the leaf is not that much alive as in live part of the leaf ... Something is definitely there ...

Did you hear about phantom pains? Those are pains which some amputee feel in amputated leg ... "Phantom leaf" is accepted terminology in Kirlian photography.

After a major part of a leaf died we were not able to see a cutted-off part of the leaf anymore.

That small black&white photo, on which a cut-off part of a live oak leaf was clearly seen, was the most exciting photo I ever made. And a biggest regret in my life in photography is that I lost this photo.

I need to point out that an article in Wikipedia about Kirlian photography and many similar articles on Internet have incorrect statements that an aura in cut off parts of leafs on Kirlian photos could not be consistently confirmed. But ... I saw it. Two my friends in our team saw it. Many other people, whom we did show our Kirlian images at the time, saw it. We had 3 leaves. A first one was used in our experiments to find out an optimal value of high voltage to apply. With two other leaves we did Kirlian photography with a whole leaf and with a leaf with some part of it being cut off. We got consistent results.

I'm not sure why some other people, who performed Kirlian photography, did not got similar consistent results as we do. There were a big differences between standard Kirlian photography technique and our technique. It is possible that those differences played a role. We used a much higher voltage. An applied electric power in our case was many thousand times bigger than with a standard Kirlian photo equipment. At a standard Kirlian photo equipment a high voltage is applied repeatedly. We have used only one but very powerful impulse. The last difference also results in different frequencies of electrical discharge used in standard and our version of Kirlian photography. We also have used a different black paper envelope for every other Kirlian photo.

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