Getting Noticed On Faa

Promote yourself via a blog, social media, old fashioned social face to face social marketing, with business cards and post more work to start. It takes a lot more than posting 25 images and walking away for 4 years. With around 715 views in 4 years it doesn't look like anything has been done to promote what has been posted on the site. It looks like few if any images have a description and have just a few very general keywords.

I noticed you entered 5 images in the OOF - Out Of Frame contest and none of them were actually OOF images. Sorry, but I had to remove them (as stated in the group rules). Also as mentioned in the contest overall page, I have a clickable link to the sponsoring group discussion page giving tutorials for the OOF technique and step by step method of creating them if you needed help.

I've been updating my pictures often on this site.
But because I was not getting many sales on here and only lots of views from different areas I didn't get the premium site. Didn't know if it would help or not.

I've been active on this site but not sure how to promote on here.

I do pass out business cards to people I meet and talk to face to face. And have done work for people over the years.

A premium site will not directly help sell anything. It just makes it possible to post more than 25 images. With under 800 views I'd guess the sales came from the business cards that have been given to people. The key is to promote outside of FAA. It takes a lot of work. Under 800 views in 4 years indicates the site is either not being promoted or promotion efforts are not succeeding in bringing people to the portfolio. Just uploading an image and posting it to Twitter & Facebook can add anywhere up to 40 or so views to the count.

Greetings,

How to get noticed just on FAA?

Post under every one of your own images a comment stating FAA item names with you name in it too and it will show up here.
https://fineartamerica.com/graphs.html?tab=comments

Then enter contests as many as you can.
https://fineartamerica.com/contests.html
https://fineartamerica.com/graphs.html?tab=comments

Create your own press release it will show up here.
https://fineartamerica.com/activity.html?tab=press

Chat live here.
https://fineartamerica.com/chat.html

Start a discussion....search engines like discussions.
https://fineartamerica.com/activity.html?tab=discussions
https://fineartamerica.com/discussions.html

Upload a new piece of art daily it shows up here.
https://fineartamerica.com/activity.html?tab=artwork
https://fineartamerica.com/activity.html

Join all my social media groups here.
https://fineartamerical.com/profiles/delynnaddamsdesigns.html?tab=about

FAA use to have a promo on the 1st to 3rd page of each search but I don't see that anymore.
So search every day for yourself online and click on all images.

Post on other artist's artwork a nice comment and offer a swap of a follow or reviews or support.
Help other people.

That's' all I have...Have a great day.

Best,
Delynn
Art Group Admin.
On-Sale art group marketing
https://fineartamerica.com/groups/on-sale-discounts-here-for-a-limited-time-promotion.html?showmessage=true&messageid=3597395

And have an avatar (headshot) or your images won't stay in the search

Checked a couple of images and found very few keywords and no descriptions. Hard to be found in the search with little to search for. You have no bio or avatar, people want to know who they are buying from.

30 dollars for a premium membership is very little to spend but you will only get out of it what you put into it. Without marketing nothing will change, this is a long process and will not happen overnight. You have to continuously upload new art building your portfolio and a following.

Six years and no avatar? Get the basics down before anything else.

You only have 25 images and they are kind of random.

25 images among a sea of professional quality images.

Choose a subject and do it well and you'll start to get noticed.

800 views in six years means you haven't done anything to promote your work.

you have no avatar
you only have 25 photos and they are rather random in nature. no one single theme.


this is too small and soft to print. your description doesn't tell us what we are looking at and why its your favorite, this helps in google as well. you need more keywords

a lot of your pictures are small. people like printing larger, smaller isn't as popular. your keywords are sparse and in general your descriptions are too.

i'm posting pictures as examples, these are not critiques btw... but if you want any, let me know.


even though it has a sale you have no tags at all. i would adjusts how it looks on the duvet and such, because its just a dot in the center on that.


this isn't in focus.

to gain attraction you need to have a wealth of images, with a lot of variety, but more of each thing you post. if you more puppy shots you could get more sales. quality is very important. if you have images that aren't in focus, have random sizes, people will pass on by. compare your work with the better sellers here, and you'll see what the buyer sees. you need tags to get people over and better descriptions.

and from there its advertising. you only have 780 visitors since 2014... that is pretty much almost all bots.

Marketing 101 by Mike Savad
Why Your Work May Not Be Selling - By Mike Savad
Evaluating Your Own Work To Sell – By Mike Savad
How To Critique And Edit Your Own Work For Better Sales
The important of Descriptions and Keywords by Mike Savad


---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

get the premium. upload everything. rotating doesn't work because when you remove it, google gets annoyed and stops looking when you break a lot of links. and people save up for these things as well. and if its gone, then you lost a sale. you have to invest a little bit of money to make it.

and no bio in that amount of time. you have to show you care for your work by helping people understand what you sell.


---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

Unless you have some sort of large following 25 images is not going to be enough to make any number of significant sales. Yes, there are a few exceptions to this rule but most of those exceptions have some "special" circumstances involved.

Consider spending your time creating art, uploading it and advertising it outside of FAA.

Also considering spending less time (or no time) posting to groups and entering contests. They are not seen but by a very, very few people outside of FAA.

Read the article The 25-75 Rule For New Members https://fineartamerica.com/blogs/the-2575-rule-for-new-members.html

The puppy picture the upload doesn't do it justice . I softened the picture around the pups to put attention on them on purpose using a filter.
And the lighthouse is in focus as well. It was just on an island across from fort. McKinney in ME.
I wish I would of had a huge lens with me to get a closer shot on this day.
I take pictures of things I think are wondrous and beautiful and should not be unnoticed. That should be captured to show the beauty in everything. I started at the age of 4 and now 36 years later Its become a passion

you don't have to convince us about your passion for it, you have to tell outsiders. i can tell you though that your competition has that long lens, and has large clear images. the lighthouse looks like a digital crop in camera.

basically to get noticed you have to stand out above everyone else. doing something unique or interesting. or get shots that the common buyer can't get.

in any case you need more images. like i have over 3300 now. others have a lot more.


---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

Take the advice of those who have done this for a while. i try to follow the advice of the successful sellers here. It's not easy, you have to get out and promote. Pick an audience and tell them about your work, using SM and local contacts. Getting your images up on FAA is just the first step, the rest of it is old-fashioned self-promotion. Mike, Edward, Abbie and others that have posted here and have provided threads on how to do stuff have spent years doing this. I started about a year and a half ago seriously using the online way to sell. It takes time, not only spending many hours learning your craft trying new things but constantly getting your name out there. I try to do at least 2 Social Media posts a day with new images, many do a lot more. The worse thing you can do is just put your images on FAA or any site for that matter and wait around for something to happen. You are on your way, but you have a LOT of work to do. I'm in awe at a lot of the work and successful artists we have here and makes me strive harder. There is a lot information that has been posted in these forums on how to promote yourself, your art, and how to use this site. Just takes time to read it all :) Wishing you success.

Love your avatar...Very warm eyes

Delynn: There is a typo in one of your url's above - an L is after fineartamerica.

"Join all my social media groups here."
https://fineartamerical.com/profiles/delynnaddamsdesigns.html?tab=about

Thank you for all the information there!

Susan Wiedmann

Thank you Susan Wiedmann

Edward fielding I got this site upon acceptance of the museum I belong to. It was never really explained except but to load the pictures on how to promote myself or how to use it. I didn't even know until yesterday how to place my profile picture on it. And I still don't know where to write my biography.

The link to edit the biography is on your "about" page right next to the link to edit the headshot. It's going to take a lot more work and initiative if this is going to be any sort of business.

I got noticed by running about in the buff for a while. It wasn't my best choice...

PLAU
UPD

Pretty much anyone can post their 25 images on a free account here. Being accepted at a museum (not sure what that means) certainly isn't a requirement, nor is anything else like having been educated at an art school, pro status, or having ever sold a single piece of art before.

People usually read the Terms of Use, the stickies at the top of this Discussion board, and check out those links. If they have questions, they ask in the forum. They read the threads for more info, and to learn more. They go Behind the Scenes and check out every icon to see what each is about.

Getting noticed involves marketing your work beyond this website. Put the word "marketing" in the Search box for this Discussion board, and you will get many threads returned where you can learn tons about marketing.

Wendy, all the info you have needed to figure out this site can be found in the discussions "Help" tab...

https://fineartamerica.com/discussions.html?tab=permanentdiscussions

My two cents. Post ONLY your very best work, and post a lot of it. The $30 for the premium site is money well spent. When you do post more work, keyword the bejeezus out of it, but don't spam it with irrelevant keywords. Make sure you title and add good descriptions to all of your images. Then promote your work like crazy, and not just here. If you don't already, start an FB page for your work, start a blog, get on Instagram, with links steering potential buyers directly to your FAA site. I think sales and external promotions are the two key factors in getting your work noticed. If you're waiting for people to just miraculously find you you're going to be sorely disappointed.

I am surprised that you have had any sales as you have very few visitors, pictures, little descriptive information and very few keywords.
With 4 sales you're statistically killing it....

Your pictures are nice although this site is overloaded with pictures of any subject matter by people that have been here a long time. Your competition here have 1000s to millions of visitors and you may never show up in any search. This is a great site for reprints and products just do not expect many sales unless you're the ranked few that gets the "preferred" search. The guru's here will say descriptions, keywords, bla ,bla...it will help 1/10th of 1 percent...imho..bwdik...

Run various searches yourself and see who, what style shows up.....usually the same older established artists...I also noticed many have keywords that have nothing to do with their art...just bait....

I have only been here a year and half...2 surprised sales....
Glad my Engineering job pays well....I have zero time for marketing and little time for drawing..

Good luck...

George is wrong. A it's not blahblahblah, and B it can help with sales substantially.

It's a fact he may think is not right in his experience but overall it is correct.

My point was the best descriptions and keywords will help...but a very very small percentage....how many pages does a potential buyer review before they find something or lose interest?

I buy many things online and usually first page or two and I found what I need.
Maybe there's a better product on search page 50 but who goes there...

the first job is - get the person to your image. that's what descriptions and keywords do. if you don't have that you have to sell direct. from there its the image. is it what they want? does it look good? is it large enough to print? a 640px image is nothing i would put up in a store at any time. its too small. try for 2000px and up, you can do smaller, but you want to sell larger.

will the item always be there? if you rotate, it won't be. people stop looking if what they wanted vanishes every time they want to buy it.


---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

many people tell me that they look at my work, just to read the stories. a good description also means people stay on your page longer. and if they do that, google will think that they found what they were looking for, and rank you better.

when i shop for a product i look for the thing i want. then i look at the description - what is it? (when shopping at amazon for example). the only way i was able to find it was because of the keywords. from there i decide if i want it or not. if there is no description, no telling what i'm buying.

---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

George (and any others it is good for) you would be very surprised how many people we get (customers) who do tell us they have reached the last page in the search and asking for more.

I personally have a tendency to agree with George in the sense that all of those things will make a difference but no one knows how much except Sean and he is not talking. And I get it, why he is not going to disclose the intricacies of the search.

Then there is the evidence, from the hundreds if not thousands of members that have done an excellent job of descriptions, keywords and have some of the best images on FAA and sell very little and in some cases have sold nothing at all. We have seen them in these threads nearly daily in the six years I have been here.

So then comes all the comments that you have to advertise.

So, that makes me believe (and FAA has never presented any tracking evidence to suggest that I am wrong) that advertising outside of FAA is even more important than "all of the other stuff" that some people keep pushing as the path to the pot of gold at the end of the FAA rainbow.

"All that other stuff" to me includes likes, favorites, contests, comments, followers, groups, views AND over worrying about having the perfect description and/or keywords.

Of this list, there are only two things I would worry about. Doing the best you can with keywords, knowing that with over 500,000 images here, the likelihood of coming up with "the" killer keywords that have not already been used by a thousand others is not very likely. So if they have a lot more sales, YOU are not going to come up in the search high enough to make a significant difference.

The other thing is the descriptions. Do the best you can, using words and phrases that you think the prospective buyer would enter the search as it regards to the specific image.

But after that, it is all about forgetting all the social aspects of FAA (likes, favorites, comments, followers, groups, view, and contests etc, etc) and advertising specific images with links back to your AW/Premium where you are the only one that comes up in the search, of course, you have to have that AW/P account to do this.

I think you are right, Floyd, and I will try spending less time on the social aspect and more time on Pinterest. It’s worth a try.

I'm right there with you Floyd. I think the "like, comment, fav, and share" stuff is a great big time suck with little actual benefit to the individual artist. I want the eyes on my prize. I do not want my images to be one of many that may or may not pop up when someone visits FAA and searches for something, I want them to be the ONLY thing a potential buyer sees. So I share the links to MY work on my various social media outlets to get people viewing my work.

If I may give my $0.02, I think it is worth to spend at least some time on the social part: we never know who is liking our art and sharing it on their social media, and we don't know how their followers will react to our work.

Besides, I am by nature someone who believes in cooperation: I promote you, you promote me and in the end everyone wins.

The only reason I believe I've sold anything here is lots my art is niche oriented that is truly unique. On my other venue I have laser focus on a certain niche market and stay strictly within the product line. It pays off to be really good at focusing on one thing, such as Cat Art, Dog Art or landscape photography. There is an art photographer on FAA that makes pictures only of cars, awesome cars photos taken with the best equipment and professional lighting.

There is an "emerging market" for a certain type of niche art in the USA right now... if you can identify that niche market, create some great art that panders to it. However, I not going say what it is... that would be giving away the keys to kingdom!... but I'm not worried, people rarely do anything based on speculation.

I've been on this site for awhile now. There have been times when I was very discouraged because I could make little headway. So I'd complain about the search, or stop uploading images for months at a time, etc.

But what good does that really do? You won't get anywhere if you give up.

So I decided to upload consistently. Then I picked one social medium (in my case, Facebook) that I focused on. Now I'm making headway. It has taken very consistent effort to get anywhere.

But first, yeah, take care of the essentials like descriptions and keywords.

Keywords and descriptions are big. Sales can be and are made through the search, both here and via Google. Yes, established, selling artists have an edge, but we all started at the bottom at some point. It's not impossible to crack the search.

Marketing outside is huge. Share, share share. Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, Blog. I try to post at least once or twice per week to Facebook and share it to various groups. This generally gets me a minimum reach of 5000 people or more. My best posts have topped reach of 25,000. That's a lot of people seeing an image with a link. Not all click, but not everyone who sees a TV ad or hears a radio ad answers the call to action either. This is an ongoing, continuous process, trying to reach people interested in your work.

Most importantly, create more work. Upload it. Do the process again. The more you have, the more chance you have something someone wants, the more chances you will be found. There are never guarantees, but this is what I've done and over the 7 years I've been here, I've seen growth every year.

Delynn Addams offers a lot of helpful tips here (I have noticed her on other threads as well). As a newbie I appreciate it. I am only on Facebook currently (a business photography page separate from my personal page) but I need to look into other sites. (I also have my own website).

Is there a way to see on here how you get views and for which images (without clicking on each image)? I started uploading within the last two months and after the first few weeks I had around 200 views. Then in a two day period it jumped up to 850 views. I did send out an email blast to promote my new FAA page, but I only have around 50 people on that list (and only around 200 followers on Facebook). It has held steady at 870 for the last week or so. So something happened in one or two days to get me noticed but I am not sure what. Maybe (just guessing) FAA featured one of my photos because I participate in the forums? Or maybe it is something else? I haven't made any sales yet, but I was surprised to have that many views.

Fred go behind your scenes and look at visitors

As far as being "last in the search pages", all you have to do is only send people to your premium site and you will be on every page of their search.

If you want your Images and your portfolio to climb in the FAA search results when you sell stuff or get likes or whatever you better focus on keywords because without those the FAA search engine might know that people like and buy your images but you will not show up for any searches on FAA because the search engine will not know what searches should show your images.

You may still show up in Google search results with a title and/or description and no keywords but not in the FAA search results.

Abbie


You can check visitors? Laughing as I was not aware..so I did a test. I had 84 visitors to one image, I posted it to Facebook with my link stating it was one of my most visited photos and I now have 102 visitors within 30 min. Thanks much

Ellen

:-)

Don't get overly excited, about 75% are bots (Web Crawlers) they are not buyers or shoppers, they are search engine robots indexing your images.

Yes, there are people living in bot cities, but the fact still remains that the vast majority of them are robots.

Read about bots/web crawlers here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebCrawler