I Tweet Alot! Trying Meet Edgar

Ten/day is more than I want to do and buffer will let me schedule that much for free. I'm done dumping money into this hobby on things that will unlikely gain me anything, I think I'd rather burn it, at least I'd get some heat out of it.

I don't use Meet Edgar, I am quite happy with Social Jukebox.

Do you plan to Tweet 1000 times a day?
I do know of an FAA artist who was posting over 2000 a day, his images rolled by like the wheels on a Vegas slot machine!

Twitter is a strange beast, learning how to use it is quite simple, figuring out how best to benefit from it is much more difficult.

-YoPedro
Twitter@YoPedro

I do look at my feed on Twitter. And if I see someone tweeting the same thing over and over with a very short time between tweets, I unfollow them. My feed shows only so many tweets going backwards in time before it cuts off. I'd rather not see duplicate and triplicate tweets in my limited feed.

Thanks for the info about Socia;Jukebox..I wish i knew about it before I did five hours worth of work on edgar,,

i don't like pushing it too much on twitter, if you only have one friend and they push 40 a day, that friend will be dropped, because it becomes a sort of nagging spam at that point. i find its better to add a few a day, and build up slowly. rather than push it at people all at once. i have people clicking on my tweets that are weeks old. slow and steady wins the race.


---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

I haven't used twitter in months...I really don't know much about it, but I agree... that is a LOT of tweeting!

It would drive me crazy seeing even a fraction of that number of tweets per day. I would unfollow you for sure.

you have to think of as a party.

if you want to get unnoticed at a strangers wedding, you dress up and then sneak in, and eat a little here and a little there. schmooze a bit, take a little more, kiss the bride i guess, then leave before everyone starts questioning it.

however, the wrong way is to sneak in, and start dumping Hors d'oeuvre's down your your pants and then eat all the cake. you get noticed really fast that way.


---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

I use TweetDeck and only send out about 3 tweets in a day. Have them spread way apart at different times so different set of eyes see them and I try not to retweet the same thing too close together.

Jeffery Johnson | Photo Captures by Jeffery
http://www.PhotoCapturesbyJeffery.com

well, I appreciate the comments , especially about unfollowing me,,LOL..I have 40,100 followers and it grows organically now, so whose is to say what is right..my reasoning is that people on twitter dont sit and watch it all day,,,maybe they tweet and see their feed and move on to FB or something else..maybe they do get notifications of tweets..maybe it is annoying,, but the chances of someone interacting with a tweet depends upon alot of things,,i think serendipity. so I tweet!

I use Hoote Suite and don't use it enough really, I believe it allows five posts daily to as many as 3 (or four) profiles to include, I believe that is sufficient,
They have a pro version that allows up to 45 which is over the top,,,

From what I have read, Twitter considers that what you're doing/plan to do, as SPAMming (per the Twitter Rules - and ask them up front if you don't believe me, send them an email :). They don't care if you tweet a lot, just not the same tweet over and over. They also don't like obtrusive automated apps. I don't think they care about the apps that help people tweet a few times a day, though, because they don't consider that to be spamming. Consider that you're sending actual people thousands of tweets per month (counting all your followers times number of tweets). On any social media that would be considered spam. And when Twitter shuts down an account, they just do it ...without any notification.

Twitter Rules
https://support.twitter.com/articles/18311
re: under the heading Spam, 15th bullet point

"if you post duplicate content over multiple accounts or multiple duplicate updates on one account;"
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Well,,I just changed from Meet Edgar to Social Jukebox,,the cost is half..

Joy,

I dont tweet the same thing over and over. I tweet different pictures with different hashtags. I have been doing this for months,,just never increased it to 45 per day. Each and everyone is different..It took my a year or so to create them,,some from here,using FAA, mostly on my own using buffer. I started creating ten a day,,then more,then retweeted its not spam if they are different and have different content also..Which they do,,sending the same pic over and over,sending different pics is not

Well, that's not what you implied in your original post, Jon. Which is why you got the replies that you did. I still unfollow people who flood my feed, even if it's not the same tweet. But with all your followers, I wouldn't be missed.

Done here.

I tweet ten times/day, even with only 380 images it will take me a month or longer to repeat. I see the same images popping up in my feed every day though from a couple FAA members.

David, was using buffer..and had a plethera of about the same amount, the added more. I understand not wanting to dump more money into this,,but if I make a sale spending $$ its worth it..

Joy, i looked at my original post.. I dont see where I said i was tweeting the same exact thing everytime..

Jon, if I had evidence that tweeting more would result in sales for me I'd happily spend the money to do so.

I got a little nervous when I saw DK mention that he was seeing too many repeat posts for some members, and my auto-paranoia kicked in. If it is me, then by all means, let me know, you would be doing me a favor letting me know that something I am doing is not working or if you think it could be better. Personally, I always want feedback when it comes to how I am doing. I think we could all use a bit of humility in our lives and learn from each other when possible.

I post 26 times for 12 hours a day (about twice an hour), and my posts don't repeat for two weeks minimum, so whew, I'm in the clear in my mind!

"If I had evidence that tweeting more would result in sales for me…" -David

Very true DK. It's hard to justify the time and expense of some platforms, particularly Twitter. It works for me because I have found a way to make it work, and my intentions and goals are far different than most, but that doesn't mean my way will or should work for other people. I really wish there was an easy answer out there, or even a way to put it in simple terms. Then again, no matter what solution is presented, the rules of the games change and we have to start all over again.

I don't have a massive following on Twitter, but I am also not lacking. It's a long haul project, that requires course corrections now and then, and I'm always looking for ways to tweak my accounts.

-YoPedro
Twitter@YoPedro

Yo, I'm not following you so it's not you I was mentioning. However, there's a reason I don't follow you, we already discussed that some months back.

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Tweet Deck by Twitter.

I use it for 3 accounts and post every 20 minutes from morning 'till midnight.

It has analytics and lets you go back about 6 months to see and recapture your prior tweets.

Did I mention that it is free?

Doesnt tweet deck require you to actually add to the queue? OR maybe I choose not to use it because of the cost for the professoiona l plan

Sorry, Jon, I read your post the wrong way. But sending 40-1000 tweets per day (this would be speaking of Twitter only if you say 'tweets') is still too much, IMHO, even if they are different tweets.

I agree Joy, I've unfollowed people for that reason. However, I'm not their market. I think those that use Twitter for business are on it much more than those that aren't, it might be those casual users that are the buyers but they are not living on Twitter all day long so their chance of seeing your tweet is slim. Then there are the power users who follow 1000+ accounts and so have tweets hitting their feed every second. Maybe 40+ tweets/day is the required to capture the attention of those two types of users. I don't really know, just thinking out loud here.

Twitter is a strange beast. It's real difficult to pin down just what Twitter considers spam and what is not.

According to Twitonomy, my current number of tweets per day is 61.52, of those 35% are retweets.
I've been retooling my strategy, and hope to have a more effective Twitter account soon.

I follow a lot of accounts, but my lists are more important to me because it's how I connect directly with the accounts that matter most.

Chuck, I use Tweetdeck for staying in touch with certain accounts, but I don't post from there.

-YoPedro
Twitter@YoPedro

what twitter considers spam and what i consider spam are different things. even if it was a 100 posts a day of how much you enjoy bread, i would be annoyed if that was always updating in my phone.

---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

"...i would be annoyed if that was always updating in my phone."

Concur. Using Twitter or FB on my phone is not happening.

i remember one guy, i knew him in highschool, we were friends more or less, and when i joined facebook, i friended him... and boy what a mistake that was. nothing but game status updates... farkle, farmville etc. or the occasional post of how he has nothing to do, or nonsense things he found online. i actually had to hide him. it was that bad. 20-30 posts a day of just game updates or to help him out in a game... no thanks. i don't think there is an option to hide people in twitter, but i do think there is something called - enabling notifications, but that may just be for email updates.


---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

Most people tweet during the prime times from 10-3 or about then...I tweet more during the middle of night when less tweets are gettign seen. 4 an hour from 12 am to 5, then two and hour from 5 to 9 am then once an hour or so till 8 or 9 at night, then three an hour till 12,,its really not that many each hour..during prime time but the totals per day do add up..tweeting once an hour

Lately I've been tweeting from about 4 am (MDT) until about 10:00 pm (MDT). There doesn't seem to be much correlation between time of the tweet and the amount of attention it gets in my case.

I have over 2000 followers on twitter, all organically grown...slow but sure since 2012. Maybe that's not much, but I have personally gone to each and every followers account to see if I wanted to follow back. Vetted them all, so to speak. The porno ones get blocked immediately, because I don't want to see their crap in my feed. People who rant about politics...never follow them. People who seem really young and have nothing but abusive comments and posts....I never follow back and may block.

I use Twitter more personally than just for marketing, and since I retweet and LIKE others' tweets...and also do my art and music promotion...I don't just hit and run on twitter. Personally interacting with people, I believe, has gotten me sales (mostly not from here, from another pod...although I do have one thing that sells on a bunch of products from here pretty consistently, and I have the image on T and P). I do think that the personal touch of actually at least looking at your followers' accts, even if it's only once, can be helpful in several ways. I'm not looking for large numbers....I would rather have good, solid, actual people seeing my tweets in their feed...I think they are in my potential buyers' pool in the long run. And...if someone retweets me, I like their retweet and go to their acct to like a tweet of theirs, and perhaps retweet one.

That said, I still am not any sort of front runner in sales from here, and I need to really look at why that is. I need to employ some more strategies rather than just T and P. Maybe once the FB linking problem gets fixed on here, I will resurrect my FB business page and really get into using it, joining groups and so forth. It's the ever-evolving subject of marketing...which I'm sure we have all have a love/hate relationship with. I know I do! :)

Edited to add: I'm also considering Instagram...I have an acct. there but haven't used it. I just read something about there being a way now to link images on Instagram...the app is through Instagram itself, so no funny business. I have a lot to do apparently!

the net is on a 24 hour clock though. your bed time is someone's breakfast.


---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

Joy, The more I tweet, the more I get followers. I tried the inorganically grown stuff,,what a waste of time and money,,that was when I first started. I follow people that are professionals mostly. I look at how is followed and following my followers,, And that has worked pretty well for the last three years. But its taken hours and hours of time. I also unfollow those that unfollow me..I do that methoidicaly using dashboard. Now things grow slowly but quickly with about 100 followers per week. I tweet pics and inspirational quotes. Also before July I was only tweeting 20 times per 24 hr period( twice an hour or less) that seemed to work well.. But now I am trying this for a month or two. I have had no drastic increase in followers..just the same amt consistently.

I have tried Instagram but its so slow and you can only follow 7500 and you get cut off from following more

I guess there's a sweet spot with every type of social media, where a person feels comfortable with their use and where they start to see results, whether that's sales, or followers, or likes...whatever one is shooting for. Back in the day there weren't as many outlets in which to market product. There weren't as many choices of product either. I was looking at laundry detergent the other day and found I was looking at about a dozen types of TIDE alone. There used to be one type...the one my mom bought, it came in a box. It's nice to have choices, but it's getting a tad insane. And I find it exhausting to try and keep up with marketing on all the SM. Maybe one has to get help with scheduling apps, in order to be competitive. I just feel like some days I'm drowning with all that needs to be done. Not only creating new art, but the real, solid, at least part-time job of marketing it all as well. And it really could be a full-time job very easily.

"And it really could be a full-time job very easily."

And the worst full time job ever IMO. lol I'd much rather stay at my current job thank you. lol

I'm on T and IG right now, I don't work either particularly hard. I schedule my ten tweets, (about 15 min.) do the occasional retweet, do a fair amount of liking, and follow accounts that genuinely interest me. I don't play the follow back game, never will, to me that makes it all meaningless. On IG I only do one or two posts/day but otherwise pretty much treat it the same as T.

David, you're right...absolutely keep your regular job, with regular pay. Work as long as you can. Your art is wonderful, and always do that. I always worked full-time, up until the end of 2011, when I became disabled. I've always done some kind of art, even with working full-time, and I miss the many rewards of working. I had always said "I'll be working until I'm dead", but the Universe had other plans for me. Marketing is repellant to me, but I realize it's necessary. I find it anxiety-provoking, seemingly endless, mostly thankless, and very boring. And I'm envious of those who can afford to have someone do it for them! lol Ok, I'm going to see what Buffer is all about! :)

"If you want to run with the big dogs, you've gotta get off the porch". I try to keep that in mind (even if it's virtual running these days :)

(Jon, I don't mean to be hijacking your thread...just wanted to comment on something DK said)

i would still be there at my old job if they didn't downsize me. i'm glad they did, i hated it there, very noisy, little pay. i have much better pay now, though be it inconsistent. i miss their cafeteria, and constant great junk they tossed out almost daily. i also miss the insurance. i don't miss the noise and constant talking. or that doom always hanging over my shoulder that i should be going faster... though i do that to myself even now.


---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

Mike, I know you like to collect odd, interesting things that people discard to use in your art. It's too bad you don't have that goldmine of stuff at your disposal anymore.

My last job was very mentally enriching. I miss being surrounded by brilliant people, and being able to use Photoshop on my job, and just feeling valuable to my boss and others. And having an incredible medical library! I don't miss certain people, and having my office connected to the floor's kitchen/mailroom. Some days it was like Grand Central in there...too noisy, and too kitchen-smelly at times...we finally said no popcorn in the microwave anymore. If you burn that microwave popcorn, you'll smell it into the middle of the following week!

they didn't do popcorn in there... they did fish. times that by 12 microwaves and well...


---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

Wheeee...stink-o-rama! Yeah, the fish folks didn't care that they stunk up the place at my old job either.

My job isn't bad at all, I get paid well, have good benefits and sometimes I even enjoy the company of some of my coworkers. However I've been doing this job for 26 years and I've been burnt out for quite some time, also the cooperate fads, bureaucracy and politics really drag me down, they are real soul killers. I can see no appealing alternatives though so I have to push on until I can retire.

Okay, this is a little OT but I don't want to start a new thread for it and it is about SM and how it's used so kind of relevant. I'm on IG but I don't own a smart phone so I use Gramblr to post to IG. Gramblr has a kind of game component to it where you can look through other Gramblr user's posts and like them to get "coins" that you can use to get likes on your posts. That feels a bit like the "follow back game' to me so I never did it. Well, today I decided to try an experiment. I posted my latest image to IG, a couple minutes later I noticed the offer for 75 free likes from Gramblr, I've seen that line before, it's been there since I started using Gramblr but I never thought anything of it, but today I figured what the heck, let's see what happens. Before I pressed that button my image had three likes, one of those accounts followed me too. After pressing that button I am now up to 92 likes and counting, not a single new follower or even a comment however. 92 likes is several times over more likes than I've ever recieved for any IG post and it's only been up maybe a half hour but it appears to be meaningless likes, just people liking all the photos they can as fast as they can in their Gramblr feed so they can earn coins to buy some fake likes of their own. I put no stock whatsoever in this kind of SM "interaction".

DK, what you are describing is what a lot of companies (selling SM apps and services) have tried to create as reasonable approaches to SM. It becomes a game like you mentioned, but has no real value. It's not much different than buying followers, clicks, likes or social reach. There are enough novices who want to shortcut their way to achievement via gamesmanship or buying their way up.

You really can't fake it, there are just too many people that know what is going on.

Building a true following is not easy, finding and managing leads that will hopefully turn into real fans / buyers is really the best approach to any marketing plan, unless your selling donuts.

-YoPedro
Twitter@YoPedro

Fail!!!! Meet edgar failed..and so did Social jukebox,,all my retweets thru buffer can only be used thru buffer,,they end up in the abyss without the link.WTH