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10 Months Ago
I just got back from the Mediterranean only to discover the new Photoshop upgrade has a couple of Artificial Intelligence add-in that creates unbelievable images.
I don't have time to try it yet but I have seen results. I can hardly wait. Has anyone tried it yet?
I have 10,000 images from Turkey, Croatia, Greece, and Italy to develop and sort. Then I have a trip to Michigan for a wedding, a memorial I am leading, and two church services where I am preaching. Also birthdays and anniversaries.
Life is moving at light speed....
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10 Months Ago
It's actually in Beta yet. You will need to download the Beta copy. It's expected to be in the stable version later this year.
https://creativecloud.adobe.com/campaign/creative-cloud?workflow=route-to-path&route-path=/apps/beta-apps
On another forum one of the guys tried it to generate clouds. He was disappointed. He got banding in the sky. But again being Beta it's probably going to be sketchy at times.
I haven't tried it, I'll wait for the stable version. I have mixed feelings about the feature but I could certainly see where it could create some unique and interesting art with existing photos.
10 Months Ago
I don't have it, not sure if I could even run it (does it run with an amd card?)
based on other people's results, it looks like they are blending in clipart. One person tried to be creative and asked for a thing on a bike and all it got was the bike. I'd be curious to know if it can add something in perspective, follow shadow and highlights or not. Can it remove things? Like if I had a pole blocking a sign, could it fill in the missing letters? Or if I had a car in front of a store could it remove the car, add the base of the tree, sidewalk, fire hydrant, fill in the missing dog on a leash, remove reflections?
Could I change the face of a person entirely? To make them anonymous.
That's the stuff i'd be more into. Or just adding small things like fish in a pond, or changing summer trees into fall trees without replacing the leaves. Or removing a wire from a tree and maintain the branches.
----Mike Savad
10 Months Ago
Wrong, not all in beta.
Some of the new tools are in the 24.5 update and are NOT dependent on the beta.
For example, the new AI replace tool. I've briefly tried it. Awesome.
Here's a video from Adobe about the new 24.5 upgrade AND the new beta (24.6).
TWO DIFFERENT PHOTOSHOPS !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvCUecQjEmQ
BEWARE: its almost 8 hours long !
EDIT: If you don't want to watch the full 8 hours (I didn't) watch the first 15 min. It will explain the differences between the TWO different photoshops - regular and BETA.
10 Months Ago
8 hours? That's video is in beta... Not sure who as an attention span or bandwidth for that much photoshop.
----Mike Savad
10 Months Ago
Is this the same thing that was posted
https://fineartamerica.com/showmessages.php?messageid=8481090
10 Months Ago
I saw a video on it and, apparently, it can't do people, hands, feet, etc. yet but it can change the sky, add water with reflections, put birds in the air and more. It is text run./ You type in "add pond" to an area you selected and it adds the pond in context with lighting and the surround area.
Parts are in Beta. Parts are not.
It looks like it will be amazing down the line. Not yet, but probably in a year or less, knowing Adobe.
10 Months Ago
“but it can change the sky, add water with reflections, put birds in the air and more”.
John i could do most of the above already without using photoshop, and i can do it with one of my own photographs… it’s not new.
I’m sure there will be other great ways and things that photoshop could add to create things easier, but it’s taking the creating out of the hands of an artist, now we can just type words, pretty sad in my book.
10 Months Ago
The generative fill is what we're talking about Dan, at least that's what I got out of John's OP. Aside from the AI replace tool, the other AI tools have been there for a bit unless there is another I'm not aware of. I don't keep up with everything PS, only Lightroom. The generative fill though is what's been dominating Photoshop news.
That said it seems like the AI replace tool got lost in that news. I'll have to try that. I'm pretty good at cloning, but obviously not everything is removable in a convincing manner by cloning.
10 Months Ago
Do you wonder...where do the photo elements come from?
One day after the beta was released, Adobe Stock contacted me to try to get me to move several of my images into their "free library" for $5 per image. No thanks.
That's probably where they get all of the photo elements to pop in. Soon we'll be seeing the same cat, same clouds, same water in every new upload on FAA. Lazy photographers of the world unite!
10 Months Ago
See that's why I think I like photoshops method, if its coming from a stock library, at least I know where the images comes from which would clear my conscience. But if they are just cut outs, they would look weird in the image, like there may only be the one view of whatever it is they were putting in there. And its not really generated at all, just nicely placed. I've seen a few examples which were neat, but also not really practical.
Like I scoured through like a 100,000 pictures on 2 PD graphics places, to find kangaroo's, all so I can make a kangaroo court. I would need the AI to do exactly as I say, it couldn't just be the animal, it would have to be posed a certain way. I'm getting the impression it couldn't do that. But if its just stock blended in. It would also mean any GPU would work with it.
----Mike Savad
10 Months Ago
You know, Edward, the first part of your post was informative and interesting. The last part is just unnecessary
10 Months Ago
I have spent the past couple days learning and using the new generation fill in Photoshop Beta. I can say it is absolutely amazing. Jump on YouTube and watch some of the videos your favorite Adobe gurus have posted. The beta version right now will only render low resolution results, so the quality is now always great on larger images. The generation fill will remove just about anything in a photo by not typing a prompt. Just leave it blank.It's even better than the new remove tool. You can add just about anything into an image and keep generating in threes until you get the results you want.
There is a catch to all this excitement. Adobe plans to monetize the generation fill feature. We will need credits to generate the sets of three. From what I have heard, they will be generous with the credits, but they will cost money. In a sense, that gives me hope that the quality will be extremely good in return for your dollars.
10 Months Ago
There are limits to the hardware. I appreciate AI allowing the hardware to get more done than otherwise. Components of the AI systems are there exactly for that.
I am old fashioned enough to think original means designing my project from scratch. I know I need the AI/CPU/GPU to work better for me.
The end result is an aesthetic. No matter how you got there that is your job. It is a great job to have.
10 Months Ago
I have tried it and the results can ne quite good in some cases (not always), but for the moment, it is low resolution, so if you zoom at 100%, the part that has been generated is blurry. So it is usless for me right now....
Thank you Dale for the information about the credits. Bad news but logical...
Adobe has explained that their AI has been trained on PD images and images from their whole stock library (Adobe Stock). The content is generated (not copy/paste).
But they seem to think that Adobe Stock content belongs to them as the contributors from Adobe Stock have been told about that only after the training and have not been compensated yet.
10 Months Ago
Thanks everyone for the input. This might not be as amazing (yet) as it sounds but it does indicate the face of digital art and photography is changing. Maybe good, maybe not.
Stay tuned. We live in interesting times.
10 Months Ago
So we would have to pay for the program monthly and pay for a feature, the one reason people may want to switch to photoshop? That sounds less attractive now. It would be like playing a phone game. They have your card, they could charge for every clone job. I wonder if it will be a feature that tells you that you will pay money now or to just turn it off.
I am glad they are using this route and using PD, safer for them, but it really limits what it can produce. Also it means that since its not generated, any one with digital art skills can just do it themselves.
----Mike Savad
10 Months Ago
There's so many AI generative tools to use. Why not use them and incorporate their output into basic, photo manipulating software you already own?
Yes you may have to exercise your fingers and mind by creating collages and photo-type manipulations but hey, there may be enough of your skills put into to work to actually reflect your vision rather than purely an AI's vision.
Don't forget, the railroad was built by people like John Henry until the Henrys were no longer needed. Nonetheless, the rails kept moving forward and the railroads changed everything.
We can lay our hammers down and die or we can finish the railroads....figuratively speaking.
10 Months Ago
Adobe's Generative AI Beta User Guidelines states: "While generative AI features are in beta, all generated output is for personal use only and cannot be used commercially."
I just though I would point that out in case anyone wonders about it. All other AI generators I have worked with allows commercial use. One out of beta, I would think adobe will allow commercial use.
I have not tried this with other AI sites, but the idea of creating mock-ups occurred to me. Here's a quick one I put together with Adobe.
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10222457196122552&set=a.1710513086515
10 Months Ago
Installed the beta. Played around with generative fill. Scary !
Question:
Does anybody know how to copy a regular photoshop workspace (custom) to the beta?
Edit:
Never mind. Figured it out.
10 Months Ago
Why scary?
AI tools make my animation and film making capability increasingly more productive and varied.
Now, more concentration on actual story telling, directing and producing films of greater visual quality is fathomable for small films producers.
10 Months Ago
I've been doing some experimentation.
So far I've found that it works really well with photography and not as good with artwork. I'm particularly interested in its generative fill feature. For example, if I have a square painting and I want to add more to it, I can use the generative fill to emulate my style and expand art. However, I've noticed that there's a major problem. I'm not sure why this is happening, but the texture looks blurry as opposed to what I've done, it makes no sense to me. I guess that's why it's still a Beta.
10 Months Ago
@sue I think they said the beta is using low rez, then I guess later on they make you pay. I'd be more curious to know: it is it simple clip art? Or is it really adding it?
Like will it add shadow, hight and a proper shadow under it?
If you have a train tracks, looking down it at say a station, and I wanted a locomotive, would it put it in with the proper perspective on the tracks?
Generative fill sounds more like patch match, unless its adding content that wasn't there at all.
----Mike Savad
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10 Months Ago
On the Firefly.Adobe.com site, the generative AI
works better (imho) than in the PS Beta. It is still
a tad jejune, a tad junior.
No doubt, given time, it will flesh itself out!
10 Months Ago
Although I will say that when this comes out of beta and into production, IMHO Adobe will need to ease up on their present overly-anal community standards.
Case in point: used ai to insert a walker in a summer beach pic. It did so: in full winter dress with a thick coat and gloves. Didn't quite fit. So changed it to "woman in bathing suit walking on beach." It was rejected: violated community standards. HUH? I can understand someone wanting a naked woman being rejected, but a woman on a summer beach in a bathing suit? Something you would normally see a million times over on a summer beach anywhere?
You're wound too tight, Adobe. Loosen up.
10 Months Ago
As of a few days ago, I gave PS the boot and cancelled my subscription.
I don't like where they are heading. They are getting more and more different from my views what photography is (or should be). They are killing photography
I went back to Affinity that has some features I use and that PS doesn't offer or are inadequate.
10 Months Ago
Rudy,
You're killing me with guilt. I purchased Affinity 4 days after they ported it from the Mac to Windows, keep it up to date, but have never really used it. I'm on the edge of abandoning PS, but at present am not ready to pull the plug and go thru the learning curve.
We differ in one respect. I think the company headed in the wrong direction is Topaz. Have you seen their new Photo AI? Unless I am wrong, no creative process whatsoever. Press a button and it transform an image into what THEY THINK it should be, not the photographer. Total useless trash.
10 Months Ago
I could live without Photoshop, but I'd be lost without Lightroom. The AI masking tools have me spoiled rotten.
10 Months Ago
Dan,
Yes Topaz is another one.
Using PS, I had several plug-ins and third party panels but with Affinity 2.0 I really don't need any
If you know PS, the learning curve for Affinity shouldn't be that hard. Tools are pretty much the same. Affinity handles layers a little bit different (easier) and a few features are different, but nothing a few YouTube videos can't fix.
I was using Affinity since version 1.3 minus 1 1/2 years of PS. PS was better than Affinity 1.xx, but now they have Affinity 2.0 which is more powerful and I really like. Affinity 2.0 also has a decent RAW processor now that 1.xx was lacking
I still use bridge though as my image manager (until I find a better one), but I don't produce that many images. If I go out shooting, I am lucky if I come home with 4 exposures.
10 Months Ago
Dan, Topaz AI gives you a lot of choices about how things turn out....there are many settings that you can adjust.
"We differ in one respect. I think the company headed in the wrong direction is Topaz. Have you seen their new Photo AI? Unless I am wrong, no creative process whatsoever. Press a button and it transform an image into what THEY THINK it should be, not the photographer. Total useless trash."
10 Months Ago
I have tried the Ai recently added inside Photoshop. I didn't try to create entire images from scratch, but I used the generative fill only to fill in areas in a picture of two. It gave "okay" results, and didn't get any "humans" with 6 fingers like some of the other AI programs...
Smiles at Jason's comment: "I could live without Photoshop, but I'd be lost without Lightroom." My friend, I am just the opposite. I love the added power of Photoshop. I was an intent Lightroom user with an extensive catalog for about a year. Lightroom databases are proprietary, requiring you to use/move photos only inside the LR database. I'm a control freak on Windows paths/directories, and it nearly drove me crazy not being able to move a photo or change the path in Windows Explorer.
10 Months Ago
" I love the added power of Photoshop. I was an intent Lightroom user with an extensive catalog for about a year. Lightroom databases are proprietary, requiring you to use/move photos only inside the LR database. I'm a control freak on Windows paths/directories, and it nearly drove me crazy not being able to move a photo or change the path in Windows Explorer."
Exactly, and why I have never liked lightroom. In the early days of lightoom it was all about the cataloging. I had already devised my own, better, and still use it. My philosophy about computers is simple: I control things. I don't let anybody or anything take control or make decisions for me.
10 Months Ago
I use both Lightroom and Photoshop.
I recently used the AI to remove a person from a photo. I compared it to the cloning tool and the healing tool and the AI function was far superior.
Your mileage may vary. :)
10 Months Ago
I used PS Beta for the first time yesterday to remove around 50 people from an image. I had previously tossed the shot since I would never have accomplished that manually. I have neither the patience nor enough knowledge of the PS removal tools to do it properly. I was thrilled at how well it worked.
I noticed that the less noise an image has, the better it works, but I think that is pretty typical. I also zoomed in about 300% and selected each cluster of people as closely as I could. Also, remember to check all three of the options it gives you, the first is not always the best.
I had a few instances where it gave me a different cluster of people in place of the ones I was removing. LOL Weird, but they were smaller people, and the background looked good, so I accepted the replacement and then was able to remove them successfully on the second attempt.
10 Months Ago
"I have neither the patience nor enough knowledge of the PS removal tools to do it properly."
The Removal Tool, new in v24.5, is very easy to use, and works a heck of a lot better than the older select/removal tools.
Click to open the tool, paint what you want removed with the pink brush, click to remove. It's that simple.
And in my testing the Removal Tool works better than a blank box in the new AI content tool in the beta.
10 Months Ago
Correction to above post (can't edit)
Removal Tool:
1) select tool (2) paint item to be removed with pink brush (3) let go of mouse
Item is removed. It's that simple.
TIP: do a sloppy job when painting with the pink brush (paint the object to be removed and also catch some of the background)
10 Months Ago
Thanks, Dan. I'll have to check what version of PS I'm using. I'm bad about updating it since updates sometimes change all my customizations.
I haven't had that kind of luck with the removal tool.
"TIP: do a sloppy job when painting with the pink brush (paint the object to be removed and also catch some of the background)"
This might be my problem...I'm too precise.
10 Months Ago
Also, for those who may not be getting good results with the new removal tool - uncheck the box at the top that says "remove after each stroke". Usually better results are achieved removing the entire object. And you can choose when to click the √ to remove it.
Wingsdomain Art and Photography
10 Months Ago
I'm starting to slowly work the photoshop generative fill into my workflow, this one involves 3 apps, all of which uses AI, took about a dozen generative fills to get the one I wanted, still had to do a bit of post, but I like the results when it behaves.....
10 Months Ago
"Also, for those who may not be getting good results with the new removal tool - uncheck the box at the top that says "remove after each stroke"
Thanks. Didn't know it was there. Although I will say that trying to paint the object with a single stroke helps me be sloppy which seems to help the tool pick up and rebuild the background.
10 Months Ago
Some of my original AI art cuts off the hair/upperhead of the subject. PSGenAI fixes such blips perfectly!
10 Months Ago
Has anybody noticed that in the PS beta, Adobe has modified some of the human / recognizable faces?
10 Months Ago
The new Adobe Express (Beta) comes with an assurance from Adobe that they will cover any expenses should a user fall-foul of any copyright claims when using its GenAI!
10 Months Ago
Used ai content phrase "jet with contrail"
Violates community standards ? ? ?
Good God, adobe, take a deep breath now. Loosen it up !
10 Months Ago
I wonder if it has a jail break, or is just a super simple thing. I know one site where I couldn't use the word cracker, because its against white people or something. I wonder if adobe treats that word the same too. Curious which was the bad word, jet or contrail.
What if you used chemtrail, that should go around whatever weird thing it has.
----Mike Savad
10 Months Ago
Right Jack, Adobe's Generative Fill is very handy in editing image borders.
Not for commercial use yet though, this Firefly beta version. Look forward to adding this app to my treasure trove.
10 Months Ago
Mike,
Good stuff. I hear ya'. I think the best thing to do is wait. Once it comes out of beta and is in production, if adobe's anal-retentive behavior continues, that will be the time to complain. I would imagine adobe would receive lots of complaints.
10 Months Ago
I have had the "Violates community standards" message a few times that made no sense. I just hit generate again and it would work some of the time. So don't give up with one try.