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5 Years Ago
Hi all, very new here and new to everything. I have a new Facebook page for my art to link this site to. Everything that I researched recommended a copywrite notice with name and date . Evidently it is the first thing that shows on my page and a woman just left me a one star rating saying she wouldn't recommend me because I'm about money not art....
Has anyone else.rannjnto such aggression over posting a copywrite?? Her rstingnwasnt even about my work or business dealings with me.Ihonestly don't understand....I lock my door on my home.and no one gets upset. She implied I was in it for.money and not the art, and as an artist herself she thought I was shooting.myself in the foot.
What are your thoughts on this type of reaction??
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5 Years Ago
I would tell her to flake off and block her after I explained that art is not only a passion and a love, but pays the bills! That you have to pay the electric bill in order to see to paint! LOL
Glenn McCarthy Art and Photography
5 Years Ago
There are lots of trolls out there. Unless this person is someone that you know or is someone of influence... I'd brush it off.
Anyone can say anything on the Internet.
... and they do!
5 Years Ago
There is nothing wrong with putting a copyright notice on or near your own work, displayed on a website. People are going to tell you their opinion on the Web... that's just the way it is. My feeling is, don't let other's opinion of you affect you.... especially a stranger's! You don't owe even one person an explanation about why or how you choose to display and annotate your artwork online.
May I ask exactly what the copyright notice said. It can say anything you want, but I'd like to see what she was reacting to.
5 Years Ago
Victoria,
Simply delete her comment, I believe it is on FB from what you are saying. Then go and block her account.
She has no business interfering in your business.
Yes art is about money. She is just stupid to be so rude. You can also make all the art you want as a hobby. Still none of her business.
Block her so that others are not getting into any debates that truly are idiotic.
Dave
5 Years Ago
Thanks for the input everyone.
This is what it says:
These are my personal.works of art. They are protected under copywrite law for visual arts. I retain the copywrite in all of my works of art that are sold, gifted, or posted for viewing."
5 Years Ago
Dave, thank you for that advice. I've been trying to delete and then block but all I can do is report her review and that feature is broken right now I guess .
5 Years Ago
There could be any number of reasons this person posted negative feedback to your copyright notice but I certainly wouldn't have reacted to it like that. Remember it's not you, it's them.
5 Years Ago
Yup, had a "friend" tell me that putting my name on my image on FB was ruining her viewing experience. Tough beans!
Unfortunately you're open to all kinds of things on social media. You have to develop a bit of a tough skin.
Also, just to let you know, it's spelled "copyright", not copywrite.
5 Years Ago
I have 1300 facebook friends - some are downright berserk with a few trolls thrown in for good measure. It's the drugs, the bad, bad drugs... brain damaged from drugs. However, I've only had to block 2 people. For some people, social media is the only outlet they have.
PS I'm not big on putting copyright notices, only in the listings of the art for sale. I have 3 facebook pages - none have copyright notices. If you say in your notice 'even gifted items are copyrighted', that's not much of a gift.
©2019
5 Years Ago
Just to at least keep things legal, the word is copyRight. I'm not the grammar police. But in this situation you want to get that word right.
Again, nothing wrong with the wording. People worldwide are just beginning to learn what artwork copyright means. Hopefully, in the future, seeing a notice like yours will be commonplace. People have to learn several things: 1. Just because it's on the Web does not mean it's free for the taking or using. 2. Making art is an artist's job/vocation. This is how we make a living. Our work product, no matter in what format, has value. Just as you wouldn't walk into a store and take a diamond bracelet, you can't just take an artist's creation. 3. Artists have copyright laws that protect us, just as the merchant has laws that protect him when someone comes into his shop and steals something.
ok rant over :)
(Edited).... ok, not quite over... nothing wrong with stating that gifted items are copyrighted. Because... people still do not know that copyright is not transferable just because you purchase a painting or print. We have to continue to educate.
5 Years Ago
Off to fix my spelling thank you all who pointed it out!! 😊😊
Kathy, I am curious how you approach gifts then? When you gift an original painting, do you gift them the ability to make repreductiins as well? I had thought that it was ok to keep the copyright and be able to still.sell prints...is this not so?
5 Years Ago
A proper copyright notice includes the copyright symbol, the year of first publication and your name, for example "© 2012 Jane Doe". Without the copyright symbol and the year of first publication, you may as well not put a notice at all.
You own your the copyright to your images whether you add a notice or not, but adding a notice will make it harder for anybody to say that they had no idea they weren't supposed to steal your images.
5 Years Ago
Thank youbElizabeth, there is so much to learn. I've just started painting in.december. only from my husband's encouraging words did I start posting stuff, thank you for the info. I did start putting.that information on each listing😊
5 Years Ago
...and we are lucky that the element "ignorance of the law is not a defense" is part of the law now. And people need to learn that too. I'll make that number 4 in my list of things people need to learn :)
disclaimer: I am not a lawyer.
5 Years Ago
This is true, Joy, but an innocent infringement defense can result in a reduction in damages that the copyright owner would otherwise receive.
5 Years Ago
Victoria,
When I say block her, using her name look her up and block her. So she does not come back for her inane personal problems or petty little gripes.
Her standing in your business should be zero. Never mind negative.
Dave
5 Years Ago
Just because you don't charge for an image, does not mean you have given up your copyright. If you feel the new owner may distribute copies of your image, maybe you can speak to him or her before you hand over the gift.
5 Years Ago
Here is a link from the government website about copyright questions:
https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/
5 Years Ago
being in a store i'm in it for the money too. where did the star come from?
in any case you ignore schlubs like that.
anyway you'll want to fix some of your images, they have glare or are blurry, many have no tags.
----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com
5 Years Ago
Victoria I am so sad to read that you have had such an arrogant remark thrown at you so early in the game. I can only repeat what others have told you to stand strong. Not all experiences on FB are so harsh. There are good people out there who appreciate what you do and who totally understand the selling part of things. I would chalk it up to sour grapes and move on.
BTW if you want to block someone just go to the top corner of your FB page and from the drop down menu click "Settings" On the list of options along the side of the page click on "Privacy" On the list of options on the next page that opens you can click on "Blocking" Before that go to the post and copy her name. Then paste it in the field where it says "Add name or email" then click "Block". She can no longer see you and you can't see her. It is like she never existed.
5 Years Ago
Thanks for the heads up Mike!
Thank you Leslie!
Thanks to everyone for all the feedback, much appreciated!!
5 Years Ago
I agree with Elizabeth when she says "You own your the copyright to your images whether you add a notice or not,..." In any case you are of course free to write what you want in your photo or in every type of work you do.
Apart from what detailed above it is true that the matter of adding writings on the photo is, in some way "disturbing", and debates are going on even among famous photographers all over the world…
5 Years Ago
Victoria,
Personally, I would reply to her comment that "yes, as a matter of fact I am interested in selling my work." I would also ask her if she works for free?
Glenn McCarthy Art and Photography
5 Years Ago
I'd delete the comment and move on. No need to meditate on it or to give it any space in your head!
5 Years Ago
There is some great interest and comments on copyright or I mean copywrite or is it copyrite...so difficult to remember! LOL
Take care Victoria...I think your friend is a complete idiot. I've been in this business just four or five years now and I'm in it for the money...no shame at all, it's a rush to sell.
5 Years Ago
Earlier you asked if the copyright goes with an original. Absolutely not. If a person buys the original they have no right to sell prints or publish the image in any way.
Learn to make the © symbol. On my pc I just type 0169 while holding down the ALT key. A copyright notice should not be the first thing people see when you market. It should be small and you should use the proper format, mentioned above.
5 Years Ago
If you can't get it, sometimes you can copy paste it.
However if that's impossible also depending on how your getting on here deviceswise, just put
COPYRIGHT: Name
5 Years Ago
In all honestly is a very good idea to copyright your images. Sites like Facebook and Instagram make it easy for users to download images without your permission. And if they can download your artwork they are stealing your work. Plenty of photography businesses copyright their images,by using their logos, when they post on these websites. This is to avoid anyone just taking the photos.
Her reaction just shows how ignorant she is to you as the artist and the work you put into your art. Her statement is merely opinion and has no ground to stand on. I am sure you will get real customers that won't care about what that lady says and appreciate your art as it is (whether or not it is "copyright").