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Akos Horvath

5 Years Ago

Is Twitter Promotion Making Sales?

Dear FAA Members!

Is Twitter promotion making sales?

Is here someone, who can proof, that her/his saleas are come from twitter marketing?

What do you think about this?

How about you?

I am waiting for your answers,

Many thanks,

King Regard,

Akos Horvath Fine Art Photographer & Visual Artist

http://akoshorvath.net/

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AM FineArtPrints

5 Years Ago

No, in my experience Twitter is useless, and i worked on my twitter profile for years and now I have more than 20.000 followers (only few other artists).

 

Akos Horvath

5 Years Ago

I think I will give up on Twitter, yesterday, I was reading 50 articles and everywhere people said that Isntagram is the right marketing tool for photographers and visual artists...

so I 'am going to use Instagram(700 million users!) only for marketing,

Many thanks,

King Regard,

Akos Horvath Fine Art Photographer & Visual Artist

http://akoshorvath.net/

 

AM FineArtPrints

5 Years Ago

Instagram is very difficult to use, unless you have 10.000 followers you can't put direct links in the stories, so is nearly impossibile to get real views, especially because 99% of people use it for the same reason, and they like some of you photos only to receive a follow or others like.

 

Akos Horvath

5 Years Ago

What about Soosh on Isntagram?

Everebody seen her works on Instagram and going to back here to buy her prints...

This is why, you must put in real money and you must pay for Instagram ads (with facebook) and you can add a link back to your artworks, and if you has got a good, quality works,

people will buy it. Keep in mind that Instagram has got 700 million users twice as Twitter and this is the most visual online social media.

So I choose it,

Many thanks,

King Regard,

Akos Horvath Fine Art Photographer & Visual Artist

http://akoshorvath.net/

 

Mike Savad

5 Years Ago

the thing about advertising is -

there is no thing. twitter might. instagram might, facebook might etc. you never quite know where people will find you, so you want to be everywhere. you need hashtags and a LARGE audience.

i think i've gotten sales from twitter, i never got any from pinterest (that i sent anyway), i have gotten sales from facebook groups.

be aware that instagram might have that many viewers - but only 2 or so may see your work. just like a facebook group, it has 20,000 people on it, but not all at once. there might only be 500 eyes. and only 100 of those clicked on an image, and only maybe. instagram wasn't designed for selling because it lacks that crucial link on the image. people have very short attention spans and many won't click beyond the image.

its also a build up. you can't expect instant success on any of these.

i looked for you on twitter, you were impossible to find. your name is more popular than i thought.

soosh has images that tugs on the heart strings. i don't know what he/she did on there to gain a following. or how many years it took to gather that many people. the success of one may not carry over to other people. like some do well on pinterest. i haven't. you don't know if that person paid to be on instagram. money is not success. i found i got very few hits on facebook when i paid. always try the free route first.

soosh may have also participated in the site. may have commented on a lot of things first. posting only doesn't go that far. don't fall for the hype, where people announce numbers to impress you. follow what you would do. would you go to instagram to find art? if you do, could you find that art by using that site?

that's really what it comes down too. when pinterest first came out - they touted huge numbers. they had accounts with so many images... as it turns out - those accounts were fake, created by the CEO, then removed when people came in. i think the other numbers were fake. its also not the amount of users, but the total currently using the system. like this site has what like 200,000 artists in here... yet even when basic members could post, i've never seen it go higher than 300 people.


---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Akos Horvath

5 Years Ago

Dear Mike!

You can't find me on Twitter of course, beacuse I closed my account, as I said before, I will only use Instagram, beacuse it is the best place to advertising for visual artists.
You don't need to be every where....You need to be there, where is the most visualistic social media can be found it is called : Instagram and there you can put a link back to your artworks, if you do an advertising, if you have got a lot of good work, people will click your name, because they will like your work and they want to know who are you, then, they will want to buy from you. Also if you share an image for free you can write before the hastags like : http://akoshorvath.net/how-to-buy, they will know if they type, they can find my works and can buy it.

It is very easy to understand it :)

Use the best visual social media and put a hard work in, sometimes pay ads and don't need to be everywhere :), also you must always need to creating new art.

This is my opinion, of course, I will follow this, but thanks Mike again,

King Regard,

Akos Horvath Fine Art Photographer & Visual Artist

http://akoshorvath.net/

 

Mike Savad

5 Years Ago

why would you do that? its one thing not to post, but to remove yourself entirely makes no sense. you should be on every site because you never know where people will find you.

think as you want, i'm not sure why you asked the question about twitter if you made up your mind already. just keep in mind, when you look at other images on that site - will you ever see it and think - i wonder if i can buy it as a print? can someone or will someone find it? and will i know if i get a sale from there (you don't). i've gotten hits on twitter that were weeks old.

instagram is instant, and instantly gone.

and you do need to be everywhere, because people are everywhere, and each person has their own favorite place to be. some like instagram, others like twitter. if your not on one, and they are on that site - you won't get the hit.

never rely on one place for anything. that's the best rule of thumb.


---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Jeff Iverson

5 Years Ago

I don't know if its possible to correlate sales with the source of the traffic, but in my mind, getting people to visit your art page is the first step in getting a sale. So I automatically post to Facebook and Twitter when I post new work, and usually get a handful of visitors almost immediately. I know some of them are bots, but they might also be link aggregators which automatically feed your new link to other consumers.

Akos, I noticed while viewing your work that many had less than 5 visitors, it seems to me that adding Twitter to your toolbox would very quickly get you more traffic and that in turn helps your search ranking (internally and externally), so it might be worth reconsidering your stance towards Twitter. Of course, I have about 33K followers there, so you might not get the same results I get, but as Mike said, it's best not to rely on any one thing, but FAA makes it super easy to be on Twitter, so why not take advantage?

 

David Bridburg

5 Years Ago

Hi Akos,

There are four types of marketing online, passive, active and in the future passive marketing I turn to actively and active marketing I get more passive with.

It would be damned boring and possibly totally unproductive to have one type of marketing to do for five years. Yet it is even less productive to shut down SM accounts.

Dave
Bridburg.com

 

Akos Horvath

5 Years Ago

Dear Jeff, thank for your advice!

Be everywhere or just focus the best place for visual artists and gain 200 000 real followers there, this is the question, but I know the answer :)
If you do it a hobby for this art business and you have a day job(Iike office job) and you do sports(I'am always running) regularly, or you have got something else you must do it like a daily routine, then the Time has to come the first priority, so when I 'am consider this about that how much time I have got my art business,
I realise that I need to be only Fine Art America and Instagram. I don't want to my energy to break up elsewhere, I want to put my energy to one thing and get out the max of it.
Of course I can understand what Mike and you said to me Jeff, many thanks.

I found theese articles are very interesting :

http://follows.com/blog/2017/05/twitter-instagram-better-engagement

"Instagram is generally known as The Best Social Network for photographers, in particular."

http://www.artworkarchive.com/blog/why-every-artist-should-be-on-instagram

http://www.differencebetween.net/technology/differences-between-instagram-and-twitter/

https://smallbiztrends.com/2017/05/instagram-vs-twitter.html

"But if you’re looking to make more personal connections with your customers and following, Instagram is probably a much better social media option."

http://www.artsy.net/article/elena-soboleva-collectors-instagram-to-buy-art

"How Collectors Use Instagram to Buy Art
According to a recent survey of collectors on Instagram, an incredible 51.5% have purchased works from artists they originally discovered through Instagram. More importantly, this discovery led to an average of 5 purchased works by artists originally found on the app! "

King Regard,

Akos Horvath Fine Art Photographer & Visual Artist

http://akoshorvath.net/

 

Jeff Iverson

5 Years Ago

I find it strange that you would ask if Twitter was an effective marketing tool the day after you decided to close your account. You already determined that it was not effective for you, so why ask the question?

 

Alice Heart

5 Years Ago

I have gotten.. 2 sales so far from twitter. I am pleased and happy with that. I also get people commenting and i can socialize with other photographers on there. So i don't feel like my time is wasted on there at all.

 

David Bridburg

5 Years Ago

Afternoon Akos Your Time,

I just began to run ads on IG yesterday. The insights in the articles you linked just add to what my thinking became in the last week. IG is the most beautiful SM layout for art. If someone thinks it is only artists they'd be very wrong. For the public at large it is an interesting platform.

If you are going to wait for people to come to you or do a follow for follow wait and see approach.....you will be waiting a long time as I have experienced earlier this year.

Good luck with it, I do agree IG probably is much better than Twitter for this. But for $15 a month I advertise at a good clip on Twitter as well. It is my cheapest ad budget.

Dave
Bridburg.com

 

Val Arie

5 Years Ago

Akos, I agree with Jeff, you asked but seem to have already made up your mind.

What David said "Yet it is even less productive to shut down SM accounts."

I haven't starting using IG and do believe I should but how well any platform works depends in part on who your followers are and how well you use the platform. That's why what works for one may not work for another. IMO It seems counterproductive to limit yourself to only one SM venue.

 

Jeff Iverson

5 Years Ago

One more thought. Perhaps just reopen your Twitter. And then ignore it, aside from auto-posting new work.

Check on it now and then, but other than that put zero effort into it... consider it a free media platform. It costs nothing to have the account, takes no additional effort to add your images when posting them here, and could get you a sale, or at least a few views.

The advice is free, I'm no expert, your results may vary, don't take with aspirin.

 

Toby McGuire

5 Years Ago

For me personally Twitter didn't really work (I can only definitively track one sale from it after over 1000 posts) but I've never really actually worked it from a social standpoint and just posting listings to it doesn't really work. You really need to actually be social with your account day after day.

I get way more sales here just by people finding my images on FAA (and maybe through Google) than I've gotten through promotional/marketing/social media efforts so I focus more on getting found in search engines/here on FAA where the people who are seeing your images are MUCH more likely to be a customer than a random person on a social media platform.

When it comes down to it I'd much rather use the few hours a day I have for this creating new content over shmoozing the social media channels

And Soosh is a VERY rare case, one in a million or more. And what photographers offer can't really compare to what she does. People are blasted by photos all day long on SM so I think it's harder (but not impossible) for a photographer to stand out there.

 

David Bridburg

5 Years Ago

Toby good morning,

What I have found so far, IG is not really about socializing, not necessarily anyway. A clique can gather to make comments, but the wider spread casting of the net for buyers is less caught up in the comments. Unless a collector wants a bit of dialog.

Similarly for Twitter, if anyone wants a conversation I just do not see Twitter as a place to have it. Bits and pieces only.

I do not get found in the FAA search. Not in numbers that will help me. I am not what people would search out.

But I can target markets that might love to find some different fine art form. That is why I am paying for ads.

Dave
Bridburg.com

 

Bill Swartwout

5 Years Ago

David, I see from above posts that you advertise on Twitter and are just starting on Instagram. Do you also run Facebook Ads? How about Google or Bing?

I have old existing accounts for Google and Bing ads (for a former business) but may try resurrecting them for one of my niche photography markets. I have tried some FB ads but can't seem to be very productive there (but do seem to get some nice natural results). I have not yet tried anything at Twitter (but am thinking I should).

Thanks,

~ Bill

 

David Bridburg

5 Years Ago

Bill,

FB yes. Google no, I do not want to use keywords and it costs more. Bing no, I have not sussed it out.

Dave
Bridburg.com

 

Joy McKenzie

5 Years Ago

People bring up Soosh as if she represents all artists. She doesn't. Her art is very unique, something very different... it also has a cute factor, and a new theme... celebrating father and child, and seeing through a child's eyes. Dad is gigantic... which is how little kids view their dads. She let us into her own story... that she didn't have a relationship with her father. So everything she creates probably comes from the thoughts and dreams she had as a kid. People read that and relate to it... therefore her art becomes more coveted.

I really don't think we can use Soosh and her art as a yardstick re: Instagram. An artist has to be different, and/or VERY good at what they create, in order to stand out on any social media platform, despite the number of ads run, followers, or promotions sent out.

 

David King

5 Years Ago

On every SM platform you'll find artists that have made it work for them, and many more who couldn't. It's about the artist, their art and how they use the platform, not so much the platform itself.

 

Akos Horvath

5 Years Ago

I think I will try facebook fan page and facebook groups near with Instagram and sometimes with paying ads.

King Regard,

Akos Horvath Fine Art Photographer & Visual Artist

http://akoshorvath.net/

 

Judy Kay

5 Years Ago

I don't do much marketing but I have an image pinned to the top of my profile page on Twitter. I sold a 22x33 giclee recently, Can only surmise that the sale was generated by Twitter!
https://twitter.com/JudyKayArt/status/961242803606097920

 

Edward Fielding

5 Years Ago

No promotion makes sales. Promotion leads to awareness but it is the quality and appeal of your work that makes sales.

 

Akos Horvath

5 Years Ago

Yes, Edward it is true, I think I will go with Twitter and Instagram for marketing.

King Regard,

Akos Horvath Fine Art Photographer & Visual Artist

http://akoshorvath.net/

 

Akos Horvath

5 Years Ago

Dear Mike you wrote to me this : " i looked for you on twitter, you were impossible to find. your name is more popular than i thought. "

Here is my Twitter profile :

http://twitter.com/AkosHorvathArt

King Regard,

Akos Horvath Fine Art Photographer & Visual Artist

http://akoshorvath.net/

 

Mike Savad

5 Years Ago

you'll have to build up your follower list. only 30, is a low number. and you have so many retweets, i can't even find your own content.


---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Len Tauro

5 Years Ago

@Edward- when you say you focus your marketing on FAA, do you mean just staying consistent with posting new content and good keyword searches? or do you also feel the need to participate in the forum/contests etc?

 

Jack Torcello

5 Years Ago

None yet...

 

Akos Horvath

5 Years Ago

Many thanks Mike, I will do the best, as I can, but this is just a hobby for me, I have a little, limited time for to do this art business(creating art, uploading, marketing), as I said before, I have got a day office job and I always running(do sport), and I have got other things to do, but Mike thanks again!

King Regard,

Akos Horvath Fine Art Photographer & Visual Artist

http://akoshorvath.net/

 

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