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6 Years Ago
Hola says Upa! Who is Upa you ask? Well aside from being a watercolor I just painted, Upa is a huge celeberty in Argentina. He is the teenage brother of PatoruzĂș, PatoruzĂș is a comic character created in 1928 by Dante Quinterno and is considered the most popular hero of Argentine comics. So popular was the comic that it sold out 300,000 copies in one release. Later in 1942 the first color animated film in Argentina was released "Upa En Apuros". These comics are based on the Tehuelche people. The Tehuelche people is the generic name given to a group of indigenous peoples of Patagonia and the southern pampas regions of Argentina.
My exposure to these comics was in the late 1960's for a very brief period of about 2 years, however they managed to occupy a special place in my memories, so much so that I was inspired to pay further homage to these comics some 50 years later, just out of the blue!
This brings me to the question, do you find yourself painting subjects or things from your past?
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6 Years Ago
Mario,
Never....I am completely original........
They broke the mold when I was born.
Dave
6 Years Ago
Lol! You are original David.
I'm wondering though if we hypnotized you, if we might find that inspite of being original we might find some subconscious inclinations from your past which actually do influence your work in some way?
6 Years Ago
True David, I often get ideas for things and just for the heck of it I google it and whala, someone else already thought of it as well. :-)
6 Years Ago
Mario,
Not to rain on your parade or anything, but before you go full speed ahead with the Upa theme work, you might want to check on whether this stuff is copyrighted or trademarked -- I don't know anything about Argentine intellectual property law, but might not be a bad idea just to make sure you're not stepping in something that can come back to bite you.
Disclaimer: As always, not legal advice.
6 Years Ago
I hear you Cheryl, I'm not to worried about it as this was just a whim, no series are in the makings. Now I am curious though. :-)
6 Years Ago
Under U.S. Copyright law you can't use other people's copyrighted works as sources for your derivative works without their permission. Unless it's a "fair use."
As I said, I don't know anything at all about Argentine copyright law.
There's nothing deep or complicated about this -- just a heads' up reminder that very often comic characters are copyrighted and/or trademarked, you might want to check on the copyright/trademark status of the source materials before you start doing stuff based on comic characters.
Disclaimer: As always, not legal advice.
6 Years Ago
Well at the very least if it is copyrighted I should be able to give it away or hang it on my own walls ?. :-) I will check on it though...
6 Years Ago
"I should be able to give it away or hang it on my own walls"
Actually, no. Not under U.S. Copyright law you wouldn't. You're less likely to get caught, & if you do get caught, you're less likely to have people bother to go to the time & expense of suing you to get money.
Disclaimer: As always, not legal advice.
6 Years Ago
Good thing I don't rely on other's work to make my art. If I did though I would certainly work from what was the public domain or licensed for use.
6 Years Ago
Mario
We have a rule here that we do not allow new image threads. This does include the constant stream of new painting threads you keep opening. This is what your portfolio pages is for.
We are starting to get comments about your many, many threads.
If you would like to just use this one now for ALL your new images then that is a good idea.
Thank you
6 Years Ago
Lisa, I have been researching Argentine copyright laws, it's either 20, 50, or 70 years after the death of the author that a copyright remains in effect.
I will go back to creating from my imagination or from inspiration of PD works. This piece is NOT for sale!. Lol! Considering Argentina does not recognize dual citizenship and that I own property in Argentina which I have leased to a large well known Agricultural corp.,I don't need my compatriots coming after me, especially knowing I reside in the US they might think I am an easy money mark. Heck I just managed to get property taxes in order.
PatoruzĂș is no longer on the do paint list either.
6 Years Ago
I'm not worried at all about the copyright, I'm worried that people will be turned off your artwork with this image in your gallery.
But I could be dead wrong!!
I would go with your gut which was to put it up and put it for sale. I honestly do not believe you will suffer any trouble as far as legal trouble in fact it's perfectly legal, but I would take Cheryl's advice anyway because one thing leads to another...and another.
Your work is awesome without any other influences.
If my art appears to look like anyone else's, I just take it down so that all my work is my work.
6 Years Ago
Mario, I really like your technique. Each new thread presents images that are new, and more importantly, cause creative conversation here.
Wish my work were controversial, thread-worthy. Mine are politically controversial, maybe, and are therefore not within the Rules. You are really clever.
Oh, yes, on topic, I do paint 'things' from my past, of course.
6 Years Ago
Lisa, oh, it did not occur to me for those reasons if I'm understanding what you mean. The history of this comic strip is rather very tied to Argentine nationalism and culture and one would have to really have to have a good understanding of the culture and the history of the subject of the comic strip characters, not that I fully do but I think I'm pretty sure it's not viewed in any negative way even by today's standars. In the even that I'm totally wrong then they could just kiss my hiney! Lol!
Vivian you say the nicest things. If I told you I wasn't trying to be the least bit controversial it might be hard to believe?. I often do things that just come to mind without much thought of how it will be received, I don't know if that's a good thing or bad. I do know not everyone see's things my way, that's for sure. :-) Now I'm left scratching my head because I've yet to see the political controversy in your work.
Love the seeds you just planted here! :-)
6 Years Ago
Cheers, Mario. The thing about political controversy , here, is that the images can't be discussed in forum. They are accepted as one's art for sale, of course.
And, what's also interesting to me, is, how this thread has churned to copyright, again, though you did mention it, fact is - your question about whether one paints
'things' from one's past, has been overlooked.......so, I just thought I'd reply......given this great chance to exhibit my work, too. Here, then,, im.ho, are a couple
of my politically controversial works, unworthy for discussion in forum, on their topic (not their quality,lol), to elucidate you about the works that are political from me. I do try to raise awareness with these images..................
the last here, is called 'Killing Honour".......about ...ah well, read the post. Cheers.
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6 Years Ago
Mario,
My next series is titled Political Sgrog.......as you know.....Vivian is pretty much hitting in her own way on putting statements in front of viewers. How the viewer takes that is interesting. For many artists how the audience sees the artist and their work is a study to integrate into the work. First comes what the artist wants to say.
Dave
6 Years Ago
Nice!!
Today I made a character....admittedly without risking making hands....but in this minimalist, extremely colorful abstract, the hands would have been too much.
I framed my signature in this last one. LOL
His hair is bright yellow and electrified. Titled Recent 28.....
Dave
6 Years Ago
Hmmm, yellow electrified hair, male,no hands, character. Sounds like a brat who has his back turned and is peeing. Lol!
6 Years Ago
More like the professor from back to the future.
This morning I woke up wondering if one more work and I am done.
We shall see,
Dave
6 Years Ago
Tomorrow it's back to painting, no not art painting, I'm painting a pool for a customer, a real swimming pool, not as much fun as painting rats but it pays darn good. :-)
6 Years Ago
There are logistics to dealing with 30 images up for sale. The series is drifting into a new area I appreciate, but it is not on course fully. I do not want to reiterate things.
I am not sure yet.
I am adding 5 new images to my Post Contemporary series as well. Those were done last month. So it would be 35 new images I register with the USCO.
I have to add them here in detail. I have to add them to Ebay. I have to add them to several SM. It is not a small job.
I can always add more later to the series. This is probably a good time to get some of the house work done.
Dave
6 Years Ago
Yes, I can't even be bothered to put descriptions on my art work. I'm already getting a little bored with my Rat and I need to move on to something else. Maybe oil painting?
David, I'm on forced vacation aka banned for a week. Feel free to monitor and keep this thread on topic for me. Thanks. If curious just go to PSA thread.:-)
6 Years Ago
Mario,
It turns out I am going to stay in production. The reason, for the last few images I have been using a PS technique that is different. Only on the production level. But it changes outcomes. I need to explore it.
I am gearing the Post Contemporary work for sale. So some of my housekeeping will be done now.
Dave
6 Years Ago
Exploring is good David, these last few days I've had the extra time to do some exploring of my own, on several levels. First my daughter suprised me with a visit from Miami bringing my grandaughter and we explored some hiking trails and a museum and some Indian mounds as well, a blast!
I also did some exploringing into indigenous people of the world, I love exploring these diverse and unique groups of people, from the deep in the heart of the Amazon to the remote parts of Africa. I was exploring portraits of what I found interesting people and created a couple of paintings, these I think you will find different than most of my other work. I also painted my first oil painting, but I don't believe it's for me, I don't have the time to sit around waiting for paint to dry, here is what may be the only oil painting I will ever paint (maybe), that should make it way more valuable as well, lol!
The Oil painting:
6 Years Ago
Mario,
Those are very good. The first oil painting is very powerful. Leaving the canvas white is a better choice. Brings out the power of the portrait.
Not just my opinion.
Dave
6 Years Ago
Thank you David, yes I totally agree painting the background white in portraits really makes a difference, one of those things I discovered by accident.
6 Years Ago
I learned this during a college drawing class. The prof gently said it would be better to leave the negative space a clean white. I saw it as you do immediately for what it is.
Most new artists think the negative space needs filling in somehow. It does not.
Dave
6 Years Ago
David just to clarify, the only oil painting is the one titled "Opium Dreams" it's the one with my finger prints all over the background if you look closely, that was me touching it to see if it was dry yet, the othesr are all done in acrylic paints. Lol! I don't have the time to wait for oil paint to dry. :-)
6 Years Ago
Those last two acrylics look good Mario. The nipples do look out of place. It's as if another artist painted then or they have been photo shopped.
My question to you is, why such a focus on the nipples and not the same focus on the eyes nose and mouth?
6 Years Ago
Drew, Ummm, well, if I knew this was going to be a critque thread I would have made it private, keep in mind I have an open auction on "Kayapo Woman" as we speak and I'm hoping to get top dollar. :-)
Speaking in fowl terms, some people like legs, others like thighs and some like breasts best. Go figure! :-)
6 Years Ago
LMAO too, I wonder if Drew found it as funny? Speaking of Fowl, for some reason this image came to mind, it's from the book I authored and published for The Digital.
Note, I am the interviewer asking the questions to the Digital, this is right out of the book, The Amazing Mind Of The Digital by Mario Carta. The image reminds me of a Fowl Chicken. Lol!
Interviewer: Is There a theme that resonates with your art?
The Digital: Yes, I want people to see stupidity,stupidity in humanitie's behaviours,stupidity in themselves.
6 Years Ago
Speaking of the Digital, I saw he made an appearance yesterday and then vanished into thin air again with no trace, thread and all.
6 Years Ago
Ref:
Those last two acrylics look good Mario. The nipples do look out of place. It's as if another artist painted then or they have been photo shopped.
My question to you is, why such a focus on the nipples and not the same focus on the eyes nose and mouth?
Mario's reply,
Drew, Ummm, well, if I knew this was going to be a critque thread I would have made it private, keep in mind I have an open auction on "Kayapo Woman" as we speak and I'm hoping to get top dollar. :-)
Speaking in fowl terms, some people like legs, others like thighs and some like breasts best. Go figure! :-)
Mario, you avoided answering my inquiry.
I'm not critiquing you; in fact, I payed you a complement. I did see your auction and I'm interested in bidding. right now it's at $100 and I'm considering going higher. The inquiry was because if you spend as much time polishing the rest of the painting as you do on the nipples than your art may be worth collecting!
congrats on the auction by the way. are you giving the buyer the option to do a physical visual inspect before final payment?
6 Years Ago
Drew, I was just jerking your chain a little in the spirit of fun.Lol! No hard feelings I hope.
I didn't answer your question directly because I really don't have an answer. Maybe I got a thing with nipples because they draw the eyes to them or nipples are easier to paint ? I really don't know why Drew.
However your point is well taken and I will keep it in mind, not that I think it will matter much because my painting takes it's own course and mysteriously evolves with each painting that I do and I don't think it's totally at a conscious level that it does.
Drew thank you for the compliment both on the works and the auction site. As far a the visual inspection, it has not occurred to me to do that considering the buyers could be halfway around the world. If the buyer wanted to go to the trouble of seeing it first and paying me a visit I would not object. I would not send the artwork without receiving full payment first.
The transaction are through PAYPAL and both the buyer and seller have requirements to be met regarding the purchase so I think that would be the protection for the buyer, in addition to the sellers return policy, which I am working on.
6 Years Ago
Ok, I see.
I know $100s or so is not much money but the advantages of brick a mortar auction houses are the physical visual inspections.
6 Years Ago
That is true Drew, but it's not at all easy for not famous artist to be accepted to participate in the important auctions so online is an alternative venue that might appeal to the not so famous artists.
6 Years Ago
The Op statement asks question "do you find yourself painting subjects or things from your past?
In giving this some more thought I can say that in fact I do paint and sculpt things from my past on a very conscious level. What has occurred is that while painting the following three paintings which were started and completed over the weekend. I realized that even subjects in painting which are imaginary in which no conscious thought was given to recall anything I could not escape the influnce from the past. I found this to be true in each of the paintings. This did not occurr to me until I started to question myself and wonder what led me to create what I did.